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Uh, did I say that??? I thought my post was more about the futility of categorizing players based on the equipment they use (or own) than by HOW they use it. I'm not specifically picking on the DL4 (I have and use a DL4 and its big brother the EchoPro); I just used it to illustrate my point since it's so ubiquitous. Players in any of the three very different categories I gave as examples could very well use a DL4. For some of them, looping would be an integral part of their music. For others it might be a very small part of it. I remember about a decade ago we had a similar discussion about whether or not Eberhard Weber was a 'proper' looper because although he was an early EDP user, it was felt by some listmembers that he didn't really use (or CHOOSE to use) it as more than a (very nice) delay. That's not a value judgement about the quality of his music. I don't think there are very many people on this list who would say "Music is only enjoyable if it features looping." And before anyone jumps on me for implying that using long delays isn't 'proper' looping, that's not what I said either. Sheeesh. -t- --- Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" > loopers then? > > > On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout > this > > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not > read > > all the posts and thought someone had probably > already > > mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost > > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being used > for > > what we would consider live looping is another > > question, but it does raise the problem of > determining > > who gets to be on such a list based on such a > 'gray > > area' set of criteria. > > > > The list might consist of: > > > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style > who've > > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > > > or > > > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some > > degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. > > > > or > > > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established > their > > entire careers using looping as an integral > element of > > their musical style. > > > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between > these > > categories... > > > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly > expanded > > the techniques of live looping and regularly > pushes > > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside > of a > > comparatively small group of like-minded > musicians. I > > would think someone like that would be more worthy > of > > comment within our specialized community than > would > > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay > or > > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, > but > > is clearly much more highly visible to the general > > public. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> wrote: > >> Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine > you > >> should list famous > >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal > >> reference, and would be > >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a > complete > >> list would be > >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano > is > >> an established > >> instrument. > >> We are heading into the state of looping being an > >> established > >> instrument, because a complete list is as likely > to > >> be too big, as > >> incomplete... > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http:// > > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ