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agreed, daryl. shut your eyes & listen to a CD of what they used to sound like.... if you have another CD player & a disc of "club interior-night-time" sound effects, you could almost be at a gig. I put the dull repetitive stuff in a sequencer, & write patches with a bit of random life in them (to emulate analogue synths, for instance, I send random modulations to the pitch & filter, while tiny variations in the note-on timing liven up the sequences a bit. this is all possible within the old emu modules). we use pre-recorded loops because we're a three-piece, & thus only have six hands. selfishly, we keep the most interesting parts to ourselves, & use the loopers (repeater, RC-1 amongst others) for loops that were once improvised but have since become integral to a composition. playing CDs (or using a computer, IMO- our sequencers are hardware, & more akin to drumboxes) is dishonest & furthermore, is asking for trouble of a technical nature. but that's just my opinion. :-) >>This may be the subtlest snark I've ever read. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I saw Cluster last night at the Detroit Institute of the Arts and > nearly all their sounds were prerecorded. They each had a > synthesizer, but those were seldom used. Most of the sounds came from their four CD players. > > But it was not "just press play and sit back". You could see Rodelius > flipping through his CD collection, deciding which disc to slip in next. > > But if you closed your eyes, it sounded like the music they used to > make with a room full of gear. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is prohibited. While MTV Networks Europe has taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are virus free, it is your responsibility to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free and do not affect your systems / data. Communicating by email is not 100% secure and carries risks such as delay, data corruption, non-delivery, wrongful interception and unauthorised amendment. If you communicate with us by e-mail, you acknowledge and assume these risks, and you agree to take appropriate measures to minimise these risks when e-mailing us. MTV Networks International, MTV Networks UK & Ireland, Greenhouse, Nickelodeon Viacom Consumer Products, VBSi, Viacom Brand Solutions International and Comedy Central are all trading names of MTV Networks Europe. MTV Networks Europe is a partnership between MTV Networks Europe Inc. and Viacom Networks Europe Inc. Address for service in Great Britain is UK House, 180 Oxford Street, London W1D 1DS, UK.