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>>So using loops within hardware is ok, but using loops with a computer (Ableton?) is not?<< I didn't say that. "playing CDs (or using a computer, IMO- our sequencers are hardware, & more akin to drumboxes) is dishonest & furthermore, is asking for trouble of a technical nature. but that's just my opinion. :-)" sure, there's a very fine line between the kind of processing that happens in bespoke hardware & what one has in the average laptop. but the average laptop is a good deal more fragile of an undertaking (on stage, at least) than a repeater. that's the hardware issue out the way. perhaps I wasn't clear enough about what I did mean, though..... I was referring to the lip-syncers, the artists who have pro-tools multitrack recordings running, over which they mime. I had a bad experience at a "cardiacs" gig once where the band refused to come on stage until the rented fostex started working. they managed half a song before it conked out again. there's a line one draws, I suppose, & that's too far to the other side of it for me. on the other hand, I saw an orb gig grind to a halt when one sampler ingested too much oil from the smoke machine..... now that was just unfortunate. one of them was entire songs (or arrangements as parts thereof), while the other was for little loops & breaks & (possibly) musical notes. I suspect that cluster could've put on an excellent show with the two synths, had their CD players packed up. I do wonder if they would've, though. I think it's a matter for y'r own conscience as a musician, ultimately. d. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is prohibited. While MTV Networks Europe has taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are virus free, it is your responsibility to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free and do not affect your systems / data. Communicating by email is not 100% secure and carries risks such as delay, data corruption, non-delivery, wrongful interception and unauthorised amendment. If you communicate with us by e-mail, you acknowledge and assume these risks, and you agree to take appropriate measures to minimise these risks when e-mailing us. MTV Networks International, MTV Networks UK & Ireland, Greenhouse, Nickelodeon Viacom Consumer Products, VBSi, Viacom Brand Solutions International and Comedy Central are all trading names of MTV Networks Europe. MTV Networks Europe is a partnership between MTV Networks Europe Inc. and Viacom Networks Europe Inc. Address for service in Great Britain is UK House, 180 Oxford Street, London W1D 1DS, UK.