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Re: Looping Strategies

Regarding ending songs and other texturing... Having multiple  
echopleaxes, one can fade between them. Actually, if they go through  
volume pedals that are right next to one another on the flood, you can  
use your foot at an angle to fade ether way, dependin upon which  
diagonal your foot is at.

I used to have two for stereo operation and a third mono so I could do  
things like take the "initial" loop(s) out of the mix, switch just the  
bass line etc etc.the ins/outs could all be swithched around. All the  
routing and switching was done with tiny hard-wired high quality RDL  
mixers and swithchers.

So, instead of a fade out you can mix-between and morph like a dj. But  
it can be difficult.

There are tricks... Let's say the tone and even beat of something you  
built the ground work for earlier on EDP 1 but took in a different  
direction on EDP 2 (or even if they have no common element) you can do  
a fast fade while making a slight-of-hand distractionary noise, like  
turning the guitar up, sliding the pick across the fretboard from high  
to low and punctuating it with a crack on the free standing cymbol  
with the head of your guitar stock.

As long as it starts in rhythmic and tonal parity withthe currently  
playing loop the listener's brain will preceive a mix to the new one.

Obviously, that's but one technique for transitioning between certain  
types of musical loops that don't neccessarally match. It won't work  
for everything and even variations would get old. But there are  
others, and one can plan it in from the beginning for even more options.

On Jul 28, 2008, at 4:40 AM, "Sjaak" <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:

>> Per wrote:
>> I'd love to hear more how people use loopers to
>> implement certain common musical goals. For example stuff like  
>> "making
>> bass lines", "chord progressions" and "balancing harmony with
>> disorder". One of the most difficult techniques in looping is to make
>> the music evolve into orchestration and arrangement quickly enough.
>> What techniques do people fall back on in order to make the music
>> interesting listening right from the start?
> Per, good question. I'm often struggling with the mid/end section  
> when doing improv's. Lack of contrast, no climax, structure or  
> arrangement problems...that kind of issues. On the other hand, my  
> sounds are OK, my intro's too but I have to fall back too often  
> using technical tricks and effects like fade in/out, analog delays,  
> half speed, reverse etc....because it's easy. Something like "if  
> it's getting boring" we press some pedals to force a change. Yes,  
> that can lead to a new passage in your performance but it does not  
> always work. Worse, sometimes you end up with a mess and you don't  
> know what to do next :) I usually than decide to end the song using  
> a fade out and start with a new one. Problem solved but it would be  
> better if I had a kind plan or structure in my mind before you start  
> the performance. A trick which does help is trying to add something  
> interesting in your song every 1 minute...a new gimmick, catchy  
> pattern, a kind of chorus etc. But I often have no idea how long I'm  
> playing already and I simply forget these things :) So I need to  
> think more about structure and come up with a plan for let's a 10-15  
> min Ambient improvisation.
> ---
> Sjaak
> http://www.livelooping.be/
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