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I tried using the sonic maximizer as an AU plug in Logic Pro before, and to me it turned out causing more trouble, then introducing good things. The exciter effect harms signal transients severely and phasing was introduced to the bassier frequencies causing a wobbling and unstable impression there. A decent EQ, preferrably an analog one seems to be a much better solution to freshen up a signal - in other words, it the signal is alredy sounding numb, when playing it, then nothing can really help it, especially not in the digital domain. 80s exciters worked in the analog domain, if i am not wrong (corrections welcome) - at least my aphex exciter can do small wonders if a recording is not optimally eq'd. It can help shing some light on a single signal in an otherwise foggy mix, although introducing more noise as well. The rack mount exciters of that time sound much more natural, than any digital domain exciters introduced later (the exciter in logic pro is equally bad..) - and yes, they do introduce a harshness as well, but a smoother one. i suppose, that eliminating issues with bad, harsh sounding converters (in some boss loopers, line6, zoom, repeater...) and as well using a good quality analog EQ and compressor can do more wonders in that matter. generally i'd recommend to stay analog as much as possible. jayrope http://kliklak.net http://myspace.com/silencecollective