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For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious communication with the unconscious movements of life. . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first place to start f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument. I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some time, i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands and on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset play is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano plaers or drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks because of this "new age" talk... Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted cheese onto investigating breathing Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and crowd interaction :) the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to much work.... Byron On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com> wrote: > Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any > aspect of life. > > For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious > communication with the unconscious movements of life. > > Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. > > -nn > www.happyhumans.org > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net > <o.malhomme@laposte.net> wrote: >> >> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's >instrument. >> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, >injuries and >> so on. >> >> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play >> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath >and >> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my >> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >> >> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >because >> of this "new age" talk... >> >> >> Regards >> >> Olivier Malhomme >> >> >> Le 8 nov. 08, à 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com a >> écrit : >> >>> >>>> From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>> >>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit >>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>> workshops. >>>> >>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would >>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented >>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. <snip> >>>> >>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my >>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on >>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady >>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new >>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>> >>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse >>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your >>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early >>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>> <snip> > >