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I think I know what he means - the process of looping random percussive sounds (such as someone dropping coins non-rhythmically). That's something I did frequently when I was new to looping - I was entranced by the idea that repetition "makes anything into music". Eventually I started running into dead ends with it - if I just let it repeat, it sounded obviously redundant. If I tried to to use other random elements as a "fill", then it would sound too random and non-musical. There are still lots of interesting things to do with the idea. I'm a little more used to working with previously generated material than I am to generating material from scratch. A pattern generated from randomness often can provide a good launching point. Then, with conscious decisions made after that you get to add some personality to something which originally had none. Part of using randomness is scanning for musical elements, and learning how to productively bring them out. For example, a slightly more advanced version of the "looping random sound" would be to record the output of a cd player while tapping the "cue" and "rewind" buttons. Then go back, slow down the recording, and listen for patterns to turn into loops. I think that's what Oval did for their "94Diskont" cd. Another fun thing to do is set up your drum machine to compose a loop, and set the timing correction to 1/8th notes. Then just mash keys for a few seconds and see what pattern you get. My drum machine then lets you add and subtract different notes from it, so you can actually build a few patterns and variations with that method. ...and that's just the obvious stuff. Responding to Rick's concern, I think anything that untrained musicians can do that gives us a "hey, that sounds good, let's do that" response probably has a music theory name to it. Us untrained musicians may spend more time stumbling around in the dark, but many of us know a good thing when we happen to step in it. That reminds me - like 10 years ago, someone gave me a program called "Amen". It was made to randomize percussion wav files for "jungle" music, but it could be used for any .wav file. Does anyone know if/where that can still be purchased? Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com