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Derek Bailey's solo stuff is incredibly beautiful, to me; but pretty damn random-sounding rhythmically. No groove whatsoever! But it's still pleasing, to some people, even though it's melodically random-sounding too. (I say "-sounding" because he plays in an intuitive way, not random in some kind of generated sense.) When it comes to looping, I love varying or random-sounding rhythms that are repeated, especially when they are layered. I think rhythm and texture relate in the same way that matter and energy do; it's the same stuff, but according to circumstances, appear as one or the other. Simplistic, obviously. I'm no scientist! But a lot of the looping I enjoy (my own included...) includes all kinds of arrhythmic, non-groovacious crap that sounds like music, to me, and even seems to create its own rhythm, though perhaps too complex to beat one's foot to. I don't think rhythm has to necessarily be consistent, or markedly present, for good stuff to happen. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com