RE: bitrman (ineko)/sound in the good ole days...

[Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>]

Scott Hansen wrote:
"as for the "old days sound"....i don't know...i saw springsteen back in 
march in omaha, and i thought the sound SUCKED!!!! it was way too 
loud,and just unpleasant to hear.i saw him on tour for his 90's  solo 
albums back in '94, and that was a GREAT concert."


You are soooo right, Scott.   I was really exhausted when I wrote that 
piece of vitriol about subsonics    but I had meant to say (and forgot 
to write) that I had just seen Springsteen and was horribly bummed out 
that the sound SUCKED!!!!     One of the culprits:    you guessed it,    
a stupidly over loud and over subbed  kick drum and bass guitar sound.I 
was so bummed as I had dragged a young student of mine to see the 
concert on the whole basis of ,  "Hey, you have to see a truly great 
rhythm section
in rock and roll who sound fantastic live."


The thing I"m finding just hilarious is the trend in drum sizes in the 
indie rock scene.      All the kids are hearing these huge subbed out 
kick drum sounds and they can't get anything resembling it 
acoustically,  so all the drum manufacturers are starting to sell 4 
piece kits with massive (and deep shelled , which increases subsonic 
mulitplication)
26" and 28"  inch kick drums.      You can make a properly tuned deep 
18" kick have a huge subsonic sound with a very long envelope through 
the use of
eq and subs....................Now these kids are playing kick drums 
that are impossible to get a tight sound out of.

Play some of those typical Bonham 16th note triplet double fills on kick 
when it's running through the typical sub woofed system and it sounds
completely unintelligble, rhythmically speaking.

Mind you,  Bonham used a 26" kick frequently (though not always despite 
rumors to the contrary) but there were no subs in the PAs in those days 
at all.

Arrrrgggggghhhhh!,  NEVER get me drunk and ask me about the subject,  I 
become ahorrible stereotypical loud bore on the subject.
Come to think of it,  I think I may be a horrible stereotypical bore on 
this subject completely sober (which I am 98% of the time)