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Periodically, over the years on this list, people get upset with each other about things they've posted, or the the style with which they post. I've been on both sides of this phenomena: I've had my feelings hurt, or been pissed off about something someone has written, and I've written things that people have objected to. That said and done, I feel compelled to respond to the current controversy in the fuzz, distortion thread in particular and to make a point that I think should be made about it all. Viz a vis MikoB's critical post about Krispen Hartungs' style of posting, I'd like to point out that Krispen, who was a philosophy major (or minor) in college, is engaging in a time honored intellectual tradition of discourse called the Socratic Method from wikipedia: The *Socratic Method* (or *Method of Elenchus* or *Socratic Debate*), named after the Classical Greek </wiki/Classical_Greece> philosopher </wiki/Philosophy> Socrates </wiki/Socrates>, is a form of philosophical </wiki/Philosophy> inquiry in which the questioner explores the implications of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate ideas.^[1] <#cite_note-0> This dialectical </wiki/Dialectical> method often involves an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is pitted against another; one participant may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the inquirer's own point. Kris has caused EXACTLY what he frequently sets out to do: Get a big reaction; Stimulate a discussion; Get the intellectual and aethetic and emotional juices going. This method, however, is oppositional in nature and it can be vexing at times, depending on my own capricious moods. My father used to be a devil's advocate and it just drove me up the wall at times, but it also really sharpened my intellect and my ability to articulate my thoughts in conversation and in public forum. I thank him every day for it and the style still occasionally pisses me off. Unlike my father, however, this is a daily list and I can turn off Krispen Hartung (or Miko B) at will by merely not reading their posts. Any email browser allows anyone to set up posting filters...............out of sight , out of mind. The daily digest list who posts what. If I"m sick of a discussion or just don't have the bandwidth on a particular day for someone who is a voluminous poster, I just DON'T READ their posts. Personally, I have taken exception with a few of Kris' contentions Personally, it makes me sad to read Miko's slagging Krispen's postding style of posting and how this list has been going lately. Personally, I've really dug this list a lot lately, precisely because we are talking about things that we all obviously give a shit about and are not afraid to stir it up, occasionally. Regardless, however: if the little spat between Miko and Krispen goes on any longer, I'll just quit reading their posts. We are a self moderated list.................Kim purposefully set it up this way. Krispen Hartung, Miko B, Rainer Straschill, , Michael Klobuchar, Travis Hartnett, Bill Walker, Jeff Duke, Per Boysen and all the people who have participated in this recent past discussion are all really strong artists, with really strong personalities and really strong opinions. It's what makes them compelling They are strong and they are not at all like each other. Viva la difference.....................................................or, if you don't believe that, just self edit the posters you don't dig. or.......................hell................................just don't read the list at all.