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Wow, very well said Bill. Occasionally, we need someone like yourself, or your brother, to pull us out of the depths of discussion and show us the larger perspective. Thanks. Kris p.s. you pegged me, man. Thanks for the reminder that I am indeed the "Gadfly", as Plato called his master, Socrates, of the looping community. :) Happy holidays, everyone. Enjoy the times with your friends, families, and loved ones. ----- Original Message ----- > Periodically, over the years on this list, people get upset with each > other about > things they've posted, or the the style with which they post. > > I've been on both sides of this phenomena: I've had my feelings >hurt, > or been pissed off about > something someone has written, and I've written things that people have > objected to. > > That said and done, I feel compelled to respond to the current > controversy in the > fuzz, distortion thread in particular and to make a point that I think > should be made about it all. > > Viz a vis MikoB's critical post about Krispen Hartungs' style of >posting, > I'd like to point out that Krispen, who was a philosophy major (or > minor) in college, is > engaging in a time honored intellectual tradition of discourse called >the > Socratic Method > > from wikipedia: > The *Socratic Method* (or *Method of Elenchus* or *Socratic Debate*), > named after the Classical Greek </wiki/Classical_Greece> > philosopher </wiki/Philosophy> Socrates </wiki/Socrates>, is a form of > philosophical </wiki/Philosophy> inquiry in which the questioner >explores > the implications > of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate > ideas.^[1] <#cite_note-0> This dialectical </wiki/Dialectical> method > often involves > an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is > pitted against another; one participant > may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the > inquirer's own point. > > Kris has caused EXACTLY what he frequently sets out to do: Get a big > reaction; Stimulate a discussion; > Get the intellectual and aethetic and emotional juices going. > > This method, however, is oppositional in nature and it can be vexing at > times, depending on my own capricious moods. > > My father used to be a devil's advocate and it just drove me up the wall > at times, but it also really > sharpened my intellect and my ability to articulate my thoughts in > conversation and in public forum. I thank him every day for it and >the > style still occasionally pisses me off. > > Unlike my father, however, this is a daily list and I can turn off > Krispen Hartung (or Miko B) at will by merely > not reading their posts. Any email browser allows anyone to set up > posting filters...............out of sight , out of mind. > The daily digest list who posts what. If I"m sick of a > discussion or just don't have the bandwidth on a particular > day for someone who is a voluminous poster, I just DON'T READ their > posts. > > Personally, I have taken exception with a few of Kris' contentions > Personally, it makes me sad to read Miko's slagging Krispen's postding > style of posting and how this list has been going lately. > Personally, I've really dug this list a lot lately, precisely because >we > are talking about things that we all obviously > give a shit about and are not afraid to stir it up, occasionally. > > Regardless, however: > if the little spat between Miko and Krispen goes on any longer, I'll >just > quit reading their posts. > > We are a self moderated list.................Kim purposefully set it up > this way. > > Krispen Hartung, Miko B, Rainer Straschill, , Michael Klobuchar, > Travis Hartnett, Bill Walker, Jeff Duke, Per Boysen and > all the people who have participated in this recent past discussion are > all really strong artists, with really strong personalities and really > strong opinions. It's what makes them compelling They are strong and > they are not at all like each other. > > Viva la >difference.....................................................or, > if you don't believe that, just self edit the posters you don't dig. > > or.......................hell................................just don't > read the list at all. > > > > >