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Crap, how did I do that? Sorry Bill....sorry Rick. That makes even more sense. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Uh that would have been Rick's comments, not mine, I'm more likely to > break > out in song, specifically the War classic... > > "Why can't we be friends Why can't we be friends Why can't we be friends > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:47 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: DISAGREEMENTS and THIS LIST was: Re: distortion, > overdrive,fuzz,crunc > > Wow, very well said Bill. Occasionally, we need someone like yourself, >or > your brother, to pull us out of the depths of discussion and show us the > larger perspective. Thanks. > > Kris > > p.s. you pegged me, man. Thanks for the reminder that I am indeed the > "Gadfly", as Plato called his master, Socrates, of the looping >community. > :) > > Happy holidays, everyone. Enjoy the times with your friends, families, >and > loved ones. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> Periodically, over the years on this list, people get upset with each >> other about >> things they've posted, or the the style with which they post. >> >> I've been on both sides of this phenomena: I've had my feelings >hurt, >> or been pissed off about >> something someone has written, and I've written things that people have >> objected to. >> >> That said and done, I feel compelled to respond to the current >> controversy in the >> fuzz, distortion thread in particular and to make a point that I think >> should be made about it all. >> >> Viz a vis MikoB's critical post about Krispen Hartungs' style of >posting, >> I'd like to point out that Krispen, who was a philosophy major (or >> minor) in college, is >> engaging in a time honored intellectual tradition of discourse called >the >> Socratic Method >> >> from wikipedia: >> The *Socratic Method* (or *Method of Elenchus* or *Socratic Debate*), >> named after the Classical Greek </wiki/Classical_Greece> >> philosopher </wiki/Philosophy> Socrates </wiki/Socrates>, is a form of >> philosophical </wiki/Philosophy> inquiry in which the questioner >explores >> the implications >> of others' positions, to stimulate rational thinking and illuminate >> ideas.^[1] <#cite_note-0> This dialectical </wiki/Dialectical> method >> often involves >> an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is >> pitted against another; one participant >> may lead another to contradict himself in some way, strengthening the >> inquirer's own point. >> >> Kris has caused EXACTLY what he frequently sets out to do: Get a big >> reaction; Stimulate a discussion; >> Get the intellectual and aethetic and emotional juices going. >> >> This method, however, is oppositional in nature and it can be vexing at >> times, depending on my own capricious moods. >> >> My father used to be a devil's advocate and it just drove me up the wall >> at times, but it also really >> sharpened my intellect and my ability to articulate my thoughts in >> conversation and in public forum. I thank him every day for it and >the >> style still occasionally pisses me off. >> >> Unlike my father, however, this is a daily list and I can turn off >> Krispen Hartung (or Miko B) at will by merely >> not reading their posts. Any email browser allows anyone to set up >> posting filters...............out of sight , out of mind. >> The daily digest list who posts what. If I"m sick of a >> discussion or just don't have the bandwidth on a particular >> day for someone who is a voluminous poster, I just DON'T READ their >> posts. >> >> Personally, I have taken exception with a few of Kris' contentions >> Personally, it makes me sad to read Miko's slagging Krispen's postding >> style of posting and how this list has been going lately. >> Personally, I've really dug this list a lot lately, precisely because >we >> are talking about things that we all obviously >> give a shit about and are not afraid to stir it up, occasionally. >> >> Regardless, however: >> if the little spat between Miko and Krispen goes on any longer, I'll >> just > >> quit reading their posts. >> >> We are a self moderated list.................Kim purposefully set it up >> this way. >> >> Krispen Hartung, Miko B, Rainer Straschill, , Michael Klobuchar, >> Travis Hartnett, Bill Walker, Jeff Duke, Per Boysen and >> all the people who have participated in this recent past discussion are >> all really strong artists, with really strong personalities and really >> strong opinions. It's what makes them compelling They are strong and >> they are not at all like each other. >> >> Viva la >> difference.....................................................or, > >> if you don't believe that, just self edit the posters you don't dig. >> >> or.......................hell................................just don't >> read the list at all. >> >> >> >> >> > >