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Rick said: > and a wah wah pedal, which I"ve never owned Seriously, Rick - you're telling us you've actually never owned a wah pedal? I can't believe it... Again (like I always said), changing the effects order is key for tonal variance. To just sum it up, placing the wah after the distortion-type effect gives you by far more control over what happens, so you'd obviously place the wah before the distortion. Or even use two wahs before and after. Having the wah before the distortion is especially loads of fun if you use some kind of distortion which creates those octave-up effects like the Tycobrahe, because with one of those at full blast and a wah in front of it, you can sometimes create wild, nonlinear sweeps of the pronounced frequency of this system by just playing a note (or a fifth or something) and gently moving the wah. On a note regarding the secret goo: if it's not that over-the-top crunch you're looking for, rather some gentle yet punchy distortion you can apply also to e.g. a drum machine or synth chord with high spectral density, my secret weapon had been the Electrix filter factory. Rainer