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Interesting poll, Fabio! :-) I like the focus on "story telling" in Matthias post, because that is something I enjoy hearing in other musicians paying and also try to bring out in my own live playing. This is opposed to the popular idea of "playing over the loop". At the risk of repeating myself I would like to point also at the use of Rate/Speed Shift as a way to give new musical directions to a loop. I play with a setup that lets you instantly transform the loop's pitch according to nine optional intervals. An exciting side of this is this is that each interval also gives the loop a new length. So there is a lot of a possible "change" on the loop side to inspire you to invent melodies that can tie it together as music. Regarding "Andre La Fosse style" I guess you mean the "substitute stuff" he calls "turntablism guitar"? I think that style is interesting but not from a musical story telling view, rather as a sound design technique to deconstruct music. I bought his record and I can't help hearing the music behind the "substitute stuff" as being jazz rock fusion, a style that doesn't excite me much. You should listen to his earlier stuff (up on his web site) where he plays very minimal with just a guitar and the reverse function of the EDP. That's my favorite "La Fosse Style" that I like very much! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote: > First, I wish you all the best fot your Xmas Holydays and expeccially >for > the incoming new year... > Second.... > I have read a lot of times this message from Matthias, because there is > something intriguing me to get > a more conscious approach to looping. > So I think that it's a good to starting point for a new discussion or >maybe > for more than one... > I'm interested to know your opinion (or tech) about how do you "renovate" > and "change", when looping ?" > Matthias tech - as I have seen, when he played live at the Y2K7 (with >Arild > Anderson) - was to use multiply and feedback. > I enjoined that parformance (I have it in rotation on my i-tunes), a nice > example of "flow". > Personally - in my musical approach - "renovation" implies harmony and > rythmic variation. > Lately, thanks to the new softwares, I use VST plugins to get the >"change". > I know it's just a " colour change" and not a "real change", because the > loop that's playing it's not changing its melodic, armonic or rytmic > structure...but that's what I do.... > And you ? > And how about "changing direction" ? > What do you mean for it ? (melody, harmony, rythm, colours ?) > How do you do it ? > If I think to Andrč La Fosse style, I ask to myself if he really change > direction... > I'm interested in your opinion. > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > 2008/12/15 Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> >> >> I just had this inspiring chat with Thiagy, a brasilian musician living >in >> London: >> >> Thyagi das >> ...we who?then, arises: Who am 'I'? What is the 'I' that will 'do' it? >> What is 'I'? >> Matthias Grob >> It does not necessarily areise. >> if it does, just listen to your loop >> Thyagi das >> but isn't listening to the loop add up to more 'conditioned' living? >> instead of spontaneous here and nowness?? >> Matthias Grob >> the loop is like the motion lines in a comic >> http://www.mangatutorials.com/tut/motionlines.php >> Thyagi das >> flow... >> Matthias Grob >> yes, the loop adds direction to the here and nowness >> Thyagi das >> so end of history. no one to die of this or that, to kill for this or >> that, to struggle for this or that...just effortless >> Intelligent Existence, flowing, or rather, adding direction as it goes >> along the core Stuff that Runs It all...somehow! >> >> possible practical looping conclusion: >> >> how about helping the listeners to concentrate on the live playing (if >on >> the music, at all...) >> because most energy happens there, >> while the loop is as dead as a recording, just the history to indicate >> the direction? >> a point can be described by its coordinates and its velocity vector. >> the history of movement suggests such a direction and thus a point in >the >> future (conservation), >> but it can also change suddenly (revolution)... at least it should be >> corrected a little (evolution)! >> looping helps the player to maintain a direction, with less >> surprises/shocks, >> and thus leaves the listener more confident and at ease (relaxing) >> but it brings a problem if it becomes static (boring) >> >> without looping >> we mainly have to learn to play steady and flowing >> with looping >> we mainly have to learn to renovate and change >> (I observe that often a new layer does not change direction at all...) >> use feedback and multitrack to evolve, rather than just color the past >> >> there is nothing wrong with building a song just like painting a >picture. >> but we don't watch painters, we just look at the final painting (which >> corresponds to the filled loop) >> the personal benefit from "telling a story" may be bigger than from >> "painting a situation" >> give it a try! >> >> interestingly the delay machines before 1992 mostly forced us to evolve, >> because they were fading >> (some had a freeze function but it often brought a hickup) >> while the more recent loop gear like a RC20 hardly lets us evolve... >> >> in case you did not do so yet, play with a long delay (2...6sec) with >> 60..95% feedback >> and get the feeling of motion lines that follow you! >> > >