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Yes! And "linearity" should not just be developed for what you are playing "at this moment" but also for the wider time span within which you are doing your playing - a composition based view on improvisation. To keep on talking with Abercrombie, this equals what he says they did with those early ECM recordings: "We just improvised everything on the spot but took care to make it sound as if it was all composed". I think that's a great concept for playing a looper, no matter what source instrument you feed it. Abercrombie said that at Jazon Cranes podcast interview. For those who still not subscribe, here's the direct link to this particular episode: http://thejazzsession.com/2007/03/12/show-3-john-abercrombie/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote: > Absolutely. > > What really helps is that aproach. I've learned it a few years ago from a > video with John Abercrombie. > > It helps developing a sense of "linearity". > > On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Marc, >> >> I think the guys that experiment with different tunings don't really >> "think" the music as "an instrument". We rather think the the music as >> the notes; I mean, according to a key, a scale (not "guitar neck" >> scale but the real sounding scale, the vibreations) and a tonal >> center. If you think music like that, all you have to do is to find >> out "where on this new instrument are the octave, the fifth" etc etc. >> Soon you're off playing your usual stuff with the new instrument's >> special touch options. >> >> To learn an instrument as "I put my finger down here to get this note" >> is a mistake IMHO and I'm amazed that music schools still do that to >> kids. You should learn instrument by first learning a melody of let's >> say three notes. Then you find out how to play that melody on the >> instrument. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM, mark francombe ><mark@markfrancombe.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I've been watching this tread with grrat interest, I think its amazing >>> how >>> so many of you have experimented with tunings, and have of course tried >>> some >>> things myself on spare guitars, for effects. (Like for example the >>> tunings >>> that Rick mentioned, about tuning the whole guitar to one note for >groovy >>> droning noise stuff etc). >>> >>> What really amazes me however is... do you guys reall RE-learn all your >>> scales and chords for all these different tunings? I mean, if you tune >>> to >>> this 5ths approach... how do you play a chord!!! Its taken me 33 years >>> (since I first got a guitar) to learn a few girl guide chords, and a >>> couple >>> of bar chords.... one (ok two) scales, that I can slide up and down... >>> but >>> the thing that has stopped me REALLY getting into tuning is this... Do >I >>> really have to forget what I ever knew... and dedicate my life to a new >>> tuning???? >>> >>> I myself have been using baritone guitar for 10 years, with a A based >>> tuning, this gives me the LOWS I need for bass parts, and I use a lot >of >>> pitch shifting, and can go high enough... but this is still standard >>> tuning >>> basically, just tined down a bit... >>> >>> Have to try out this 5ths thing >>> >>> m >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Charles Zwicky ><cazwicky@earthlink.net> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone here on the list having tried tuning a guitar in fifths for >>>>>> wider orchestration options? Or even wider intervals? Would make >sense >>>>>> when looping to get lower bass and higher highs. I guess you have to >>>>>> pick a custom string set for this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>>> >>>>>> Per Boysen >>>>>> www.boysen.se >>>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> >>>> >>>> I have been tuning in straight fifths for the past 15 years or so.... >>>> >>>> http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ... >>>> http://www.zmix.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >>> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >>> www.looop.no >>> >> > >