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Thanks for the link Per! On Feb 26, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes! And "linearity" should not just be developed for what you are > playing "at this moment" but also for the wider time span within which > you are doing your playing - a composition based view on > improvisation. To keep on talking with Abercrombie, this equals what > he says they did with those early ECM recordings: "We just improvised > everything on the spot but took care to make it sound as if it was all > composed". I think that's a great concept for playing a looper, no > matter what source instrument you feed it. > > Abercrombie said that at Jazon Cranes podcast interview. For those who > still not subscribe, here's the direct link to this particular > episode: > http://thejazzsession.com/2007/03/12/show-3-john-abercrombie/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Absolutely. >> >> What really helps is that aproach. I've learned it a few years ago >> from a >> video with John Abercrombie. >> >> It helps developing a sense of "linearity". >> >> On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Marc, >>> >>> I think the guys that experiment with different tunings don't really >>> "think" the music as "an instrument". We rather think the the >>> music as >>> the notes; I mean, according to a key, a scale (not "guitar neck" >>> scale but the real sounding scale, the vibreations) and a tonal >>> center. If you think music like that, all you have to do is to find >>> out "where on this new instrument are the octave, the fifth" etc >>> etc. >>> Soon you're off playing your usual stuff with the new instrument's >>> special touch options. >>> >>> To learn an instrument as "I put my finger down here to get this >>> note" >>> is a mistake IMHO and I'm amazed that music schools still do that to >>> kids. You should learn instrument by first learning a melody of >>> let's >>> say three notes. Then you find out how to play that melody on the >>> instrument. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se >>> www.perboysen.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM, mark francombe ><mark@markfrancombe.com >>> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been watching this tread with grrat interest, I think its >>>> amazing >>>> how >>>> so many of you have experimented with tunings, and have of course >>>> tried >>>> some >>>> things myself on spare guitars, for effects. (Like for example the >>>> tunings >>>> that Rick mentioned, about tuning the whole guitar to one note >>>> for groovy >>>> droning noise stuff etc). >>>> >>>> What really amazes me however is... do you guys reall RE-learn >>>> all your >>>> scales and chords for all these different tunings? I mean, if >>>> you tune >>>> to >>>> this 5ths approach... how do you play a chord!!! Its taken me 33 >>>> years >>>> (since I first got a guitar) to learn a few girl guide chords, >>>> and a >>>> couple >>>> of bar chords.... one (ok two) scales, that I can slide up and >>>> down... >>>> but >>>> the thing that has stopped me REALLY getting into tuning is >>>> this... Do I >>>> really have to forget what I ever knew... and dedicate my life to >>>> a new >>>> tuning???? >>>> >>>> I myself have been using baritone guitar for 10 years, with a A >>>> based >>>> tuning, this gives me the LOWS I need for bass parts, and I use a >>>> lot of >>>> pitch shifting, and can go high enough... but this is still >>>> standard >>>> tuning >>>> basically, just tined down a bit... >>>> >>>> Have to try out this 5ths thing >>>> >>>> m >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Charles Zwicky ><cazwicky@earthlink.net >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone here on the list having tried tuning a guitar in fifths >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> wider orchestration options? Or even wider intervals? Would >>>>>>> make sense >>>>>>> when looping to get lower bass and higher highs. I guess you >>>>>>> have to >>>>>>> pick a custom string set for this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Per Boysen >>>>>>> www.boysen.se >>>>>>> www.perboysen.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been tuning in straight fifths for the past 15 years or >>>>> so.... >>>>> >>>>> http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ... >>>>> http://www.zmix.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.markfrancombe.com >>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >>>> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >>>> www.looop.no >>>> >>> >> >> >