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Howdy, Does anyone know if bruce Cockburn used an open tuning on "Dust and Diesel"? Can anyone give me the chords or lead me to the tablature? Thanx Rig --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote: > From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Tuning guitar in fifths/ my rant defending alt. tunings >:-) > To: agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:54 PM > Whoa, I certainly wasn't claiming I'm more creative > or talented than anyone else - yikes!! Hell no! No offense > taken, but I wasn't putting myself above anyone who does > use different tunings. That's a nice list. (Not that > Keith Richards is exactly known for his solo work...). I > should have placed more effort in indicating that, for ME, > for what I'm interested in, I don't see a whole lot > of possibilities that can't be gotten at otherwise. BUT > I'm a nylon-string player. I might feel different if I > had a dreadnaught Taylor, or if I was inspired by the > English folk/American roots path that the soloists among the > people you mention generally spring from. (Mitchell's > Ellington fixation aside). I'm more inspired by jazz, > classical and flamenco players, where playing in alternate > tunings isn't part of a tradition, and moreover, would > be a real limitation in the case of improvising. > > I invoked YouTube not to refer to these people, but the > current crop of folks who mainly take a few tricks from > Michael Hedges (another alt-tuner who I have tremendous > respect for) and go a-tapping and a-slapping all day long. I > don't wish to directly put down artists so I won't > name names, but if you search for Hedges videos, a few links > away you'll find the people I'm talking about. > > cheers, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > my friend, with all due respect to your post, why in > God's holy name would you use youtube as your evidence > of boring amateur alt. tuning solo guitarist's? I > assume you are NOT referring to John Fahey, Leo Kottke, Nick > Drake, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Richard Thompson, Jimmy > Page,John Renbourn, John Martyn, Chet Atkins, Sonic Youth, > Swervedriver, THE GREAT KEITH RICHARDS WHO WROTE MORE 3 > CHORD ROCK SONGS IN HISTORY IN OPEN G THAN ANYBODY HAS A > RIGHT TO--how in the world can THAT be limiting?? Pierre > Bensusan, Martin Carthy, Bruce Cockburn, Ry Cooder, David > Crosby? Hell even boring ass Eric Clapton and even more > boring Peter Frampton use alt. tunings!!! Are you more > creative than all these guitarist's both as a guitarist > and more importantly a composer in altered tunings? I > DON'T mean to be rude at all or disrespectful to you > sir, but I propose there are only limited minds, NOT limited > tunings!! :-) If you doubt my word on the above using > them they are all documented in Mark Hanson's excellent > book "The Complete Book of Alterate Tunings" > peace my friend marc > > > > /Marc Marshall/ > > // /"I am human, I am large, I contradict > myself"/ > > // /.....and then some / > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 2/27/09, Daryl Shawn > /<highhorse@mhorse.com>/* wrote: > > > > From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> > > Subject: Re: OT: Tuning guitar in fifths for wider > orchestration > > options > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 3:17 PM > > > > With a heaping helpful of due respect to all those > whose alt-tuned playing I > > enjoy - and the distinct feeling that I'm a > lone fuddy-duddy here - I'm > > one of those resisters, though I did play in > nothing but altered tuning for a > > long time. For me, the advantage was the mental > breaking of ruts, but I found it > > was the wrong approach - treating the symptoms, > not the cause of the rut. > > I'd found myself always playing the same > things, but came to see that I was > > simply limited in the technique and knowledge I > had. Altered tuning threw away > > the experience I'd already gained, so I ended > up even quicker in a new rut - > > I was tuned DADGCF, so suddenly I started writing > everything in D minor. After > > five years, I switched back to standard, and > practice as often as I can in it, > > and haven't found myself in a rut (by my own > subjective analysis, of > > course...) since. The solution was increasing my > knowledge of the guitar, > > getting closer to the goal of making seamless the > division between self and > > instrument, able to play what I heard in mind, not > putting fingers down and > > finding new sounds by chance. > > > > I dunno...if a sax player gets in a rut, do they > quickly switch to clarinet? Or > > do they practice different things, seek out new > music to listen to, find new > > playing opportunities to challenge the rut, which > is a mental construct anyway? > > > > Honestly, I don't see a world of possibilities > in switching tunings. Sure, > > there's a big ringing resonance that one can > get with unisons or open > > octaves, but that already sounds played out to my > ears unless the composition is > > a good one. If you go on YouTube and watch the > scores of open-tuned solo guitar > > players, you'll see the easy temptations they > fall into - basing everything > > on a pedal note on the lowest open string, sliding > around the same chord > > position on the low strings with the high ones > ringing out, hitting the 12th and > > 5th fret harmonics compulsively in every damn tune > - because those tricks sound > > good, at an average and tired level of good. > > > > Just my experience...YMMV (and probably already > has, I'm gathering!). > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > I know many guitarists that resist open > tunings and I honestly don’t > > know why. They really open up another world of > possibilities and are a great way > > to take a break from standard tuning, if for no > other reason than to provide > > fresh perspective and break out of playing ruts. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > >