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Rick said: "Remember, things like all the freeware software loopers than abound don't really count, because you have to have a decent laptop and a decent breakout box to use them for free." This statement of yours does not appear to be true to me, and this is why: First of all, what are the hardware requirements of a freeware software looper? I remember a thread on the Mobius discussion group with a guy who had run Mobius (standalone) on a 800MHz Celeron machine. Now this is the kind of computer hardware that you'd have found lying around at the junkyard - about one to two years ago. Laptop computers with more than that power go for amounts considerably below the 100-buck-threshold on ebay. And finally, a lot of people today already do have a computer at their disposal, so the solution using free software is in fact free. However, there is still the fact that a computer solution does not come "ready to use out of the box". You need to setup various things, and actually using it for more than a first "I use my laptop microphone and push buttons onscreen with my mouse" test run of e.g. Mobius requires you to get a decent audio interface (or at the least adapter cables), a MIDI interface and a MIDI controller - all of which sum up to more than a cheap hardware looper. What's more, not being able to carry the thing to a band rehearsal (or to quickly get up in the middle of the night, plug in and loop) definitely will work out in favour of the hardware solution. My recommendation for a software looper would be Mobius, because it rules. For a stompbox one: I'm somewhat torn between the EH SMM w/Hazari and the Boss DD20. The former has that great varispeed option, the latter one is a really long delay (that also allows you to do multiply) with a "loop" mode that sucks. The DL4 you recommend is about 50% more expensive, and all that for two footswitches more. Then there's the Headrush, but with 3/4s of the price of the SMM, the lower price does not justify the lack in functionality compared to the SMM. Summarizing: At least for that first tryout of a looper, I don't know what's wrong with trying e.g. Mobius, especially if the person in question already has a computer (which could very well be a almost antique one by computer market cycles). For anything beyond that, a stompbox is the most cost-effective solution. Rainer