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Re: 10,000 hours



Hi Toby,

I don't think Art is dissing Gates or Windows, just making the point that tho he may have been an excellent programmer, what he was truly great at was building a business (well, Art was saying he's just lucky, but I'm saying he's a great businessman. Just like Steve Jobs. But not as hip.)

Warren

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Toby Graves <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
Microsoft has done acceptable stuff.  I guess the way I measure it is--how many windows related products have made me say, "wow, that's really f'n cool?"  Full disclosure:  I own a PC w/XP and a Mac.

t


On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Art Simon wrote:

Warren and Jeff, you make good points and I think Gladwell was on weak
ground we he spoke to computer programming. Was Bill Gates a great
programmer? What made Bill Gates "great" was that he got IBM to use
his operating system, but allow him to keep the license. Microsoft has
done some good stuff, but they owe their continuing existence to that
one stroke of luck or hubris.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Warren Sirota<wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:



That would include most of the programmers in the world, and if my
work experience is any indication, very few of them are who I would
consider "great" :-)

10,000 hours might get you "professional".  You would be able to
compete in the job market and be a valued team member.  But great?

I think greatness as a programmer is much harder to quantify than
greatness as a musician.  Many people think Linus Torvalds is great,


how many great programmers have there been in the history of computing? 5?
15? you pretty much have to create a platform to be considered great, i'd
say - make an OS or invent a language, something like that. Even if you
write a great application program, that doesn't make you a great programmer
(tho something like Visicalc qualifies because it started a supremely useful
category). a great programmer would be severely out of place on most of the
teams I'm on.


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