Re: Samples and looping

[tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>]

he fell in love with frddie bell and the bellboys' vegas version of the 
song.

> Which version did Elvis fall in love
> with?
> 
> 
> >so true, that it is a straw man argument.  of
> course, lieber had no 
> >reason to remember it any differently, i'm sure, since
> 
> >lieber/stoller have successfully sued for copyright
> infringement 
> >more than any other songwriting team.  and
> actually, elvis fell in 
> >love with a completely different version of the song
> than the 
> >original.
> >
> >time
> >
> >>  Re: Samples and looping
> >>  Well, well, well..!  There's a straw
> man
> >>  argument wrapped in
> >>  an ad homenim attack... nobody is 'rewriting
> music
> >>  history' or
> >>  'glossing over' anything... Jerry Lieber
> told me
> >>  what I wrote here (on
> >>  this very small mailing list) after dinner
> one
> >>  day.
> >>  I'm sure that your 'music lore' account
> >>  has some truth to it, but
> >>  I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
> >>
> >>
> >>  hound dog was written by
> >>  lieber and
> >>  stoller by substituting the word "hound dog"
> for
> >>  the
> >>  original "m-----f-----" which is what was in
> the
> >>  big mama
> >>  thorton original.  otherwise, the
> chords, melody,
> >>  arrangement and
> >>  majority of the rest of the words are as she
> wrote
> >>  it.  this is
> >>  an acknowledged part of music lore, just as
> pat boone made
> >>  a whole
> >>  career out of re-recording tracks from
> "race
> >>  records" of the
> >>  time and releasing them weeks after their
> original release
> >>  to
> >>  thunderous approval on the "white charts." 
> >>  to gloss
> >>  over this unfortunate chapter of music
> history by
> >>  attempting to
> >>  rewrite it is disgraceful.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  time
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Charles Zwicky
> >>  <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  > From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >>  > Subject: Re: Samples and looping
> >>
> >>  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>
> >>  > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:22
> AM
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  > Hound Dog was written by Jerry Lieber
> and Mike Stoller
> >>  who
> >>
> >>  > also produced Big Mama Thornton's
> record. Elvis
> >>  heard that
> >>
> >>  > and loved it. He re-recorded it. 
> Lieber and
> >>  Stoller
> >>
> >>  > still got their royalties. :)
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  > > Per is arguing the law -- i.e.,
> the law protects
> >>
> >>  > composer's rights. Louigi is arguing
> about what he
> >>  believes
> >>
> >>  > the law should say -- the composer gets
> paid by
> >>  whoever
> >>
> >>  > commissioned the work and after that
> it's fair
> >>  game. So, in
> >>
> >>  > the case of Hound Dog, unless Elvis had
> a deal with
> >>  Big Mama
> >>
> >>  > Thornton to write the song, in Louigi's
> world,
> >>  Elvis owes
> >>
> >>  > nothing for using the song. (If I've
> >>  mischaracterized the
> >>
> >>  > positions, I apologize.)
> >>
> >>  > >
> >>
> >>  > > Mark
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  > -- ...
> >>
> >>  > http://www.zmix.net
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>  >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >> 
> >>  ...
> >>
> >>  http://www.zmix.net
> >> 
> >>
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