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Which version did Elvis fall in love with? >so true, that it is a straw man argument. of course, lieber had no >reason to remember it any differently, i'm sure, since >lieber/stoller have successfully sued for copyright infringement >more than any other songwriting team. and actually, elvis fell in >love with a completely different version of the song than the >original. > >time > >> Re: Samples and looping >> Well, well, well..! There's a straw man >> argument wrapped in >> an ad homenim attack... nobody is 'rewriting music >> history' or >> 'glossing over' anything... Jerry Lieber told me >> what I wrote here (on >> this very small mailing list) after dinner one >> day. >> I'm sure that your 'music lore' account >> has some truth to it, but >> I wasn't there so I can't say for sure. >> >> >> hound dog was written by >> lieber and >> stoller by substituting the word "hound dog" for >> the >> original "m-----f-----" which is what was in the >> big mama >> thorton original. otherwise, the chords, melody, >> arrangement and >> majority of the rest of the words are as she wrote >> it. this is >> an acknowledged part of music lore, just as pat boone made >> a whole >> career out of re-recording tracks from "race >> records" of the >> time and releasing them weeks after their original release >> to >> thunderous approval on the "white charts." >> to gloss >> over this unfortunate chapter of music history by >> attempting to >> rewrite it is disgraceful. >> >> >> >> time >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Charles Zwicky >> <cazwicky@earthlink.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> >> >> > Subject: Re: Samples and looping >> >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:22 AM >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hound Dog was written by Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller >> who >> >> > also produced Big Mama Thornton's record. Elvis >> heard that >> >> > and loved it. He re-recorded it. Lieber and >> Stoller >> >> > still got their royalties. :) >> >> > >> >> > > Per is arguing the law -- i.e., the law protects >> >> > composer's rights. Louigi is arguing about what he >> believes >> >> > the law should say -- the composer gets paid by >> whoever >> >> > commissioned the work and after that it's fair >> game. So, in >> >> > the case of Hound Dog, unless Elvis had a deal with >> Big Mama >> >> > Thornton to write the song, in Louigi's world, >> Elvis owes >> >> > nothing for using the song. (If I've >> mischaracterized the >> >> > positions, I apologize.) >> >> > > >> >> > > Mark >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- ... >> >> > http://www.zmix.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ... >> >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net