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Re: Samples and looping



Which version did Elvis fall in love with?


>so true, that it is a straw man argument.  of course, lieber had no 
>reason to remember it any differently, i'm sure, since 
>lieber/stoller have successfully sued for copyright infringement 
>more than any other songwriting team.  and actually, elvis fell in 
>love with a completely different version of the song than the 
>original.
>
>time
>
>>  Re: Samples and looping
>>  Well, well, well..!  There's a straw man
>>  argument wrapped in
>>  an ad homenim attack... nobody is 'rewriting music
>>  history' or
>>  'glossing over' anything... Jerry Lieber told me
>>  what I wrote here (on
>>  this very small mailing list) after dinner one
>>  day.
>>  I'm sure that your 'music lore' account
>>  has some truth to it, but
>>  I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
>>
>>
>>  hound dog was written by
>>  lieber and
>>  stoller by substituting the word "hound dog" for
>>  the
>>  original "m-----f-----" which is what was in the
>>  big mama
>>  thorton original.  otherwise, the chords, melody,
>>  arrangement and
>>  majority of the rest of the words are as she wrote
>>  it.  this is
>>  an acknowledged part of music lore, just as pat boone made
>>  a whole
>>  career out of re-recording tracks from "race
>>  records" of the
>>  time and releasing them weeks after their original release
>>  to
>>  thunderous approval on the "white charts." 
>>  to gloss
>>  over this unfortunate chapter of music history by
>>  attempting to
>>  rewrite it is disgraceful.
>>
>>
>>
>>  time
>>
>>
>>
>>  --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Charles Zwicky
>>  <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  > From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>>
>>  > Subject: Re: Samples and looping
>>
>>  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>>  > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:22 AM
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > Hound Dog was written by Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller
>>  who
>>
>>  > also produced Big Mama Thornton's record. Elvis
>>  heard that
>>
>>  > and loved it. He re-recorded it.  Lieber and
>>  Stoller
>>
>>  > still got their royalties. :)
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > > Per is arguing the law -- i.e., the law protects
>>
>>  > composer's rights. Louigi is arguing about what he
>>  believes
>>
>>  > the law should say -- the composer gets paid by
>>  whoever
>>
>>  > commissioned the work and after that it's fair
>>  game. So, in
>>
>>  > the case of Hound Dog, unless Elvis had a deal with
>>  Big Mama
>>
>>  > Thornton to write the song, in Louigi's world,
>>  Elvis owes
>>
>>  > nothing for using the song. (If I've
>>  mischaracterized the
>>
>>  > positions, I apologize.)
>>
>>  > >
>>
>>  > > Mark
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  > -- ...
>>
>>  > http://www.zmix.net
>>
>>  >
>>
>>  >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> 
>>  ...
>>
>>  http://www.zmix.net
>> 
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