Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

[Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>]

ok gang,but as i said keep it radio play i know there is plenty of this stuff everywhere,but very few odd time signatures make it in the pop radio world, and thats the challenge of this
money from pink floyd,yes  how could i have forgotten that one another 7/8 million seller!

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

“Navajo” by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There are plenty of other Frith examples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed peculiarly weird, but mesmerizing.

 

Mike Giles plays “21^st C…” in 3 for long stretches, albeit while madness erupts around him.

 

Of course, now that we’ve slid into prog territory the list can become endless.

 

For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set released last year (or was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews, including several discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive rhythms.

 

Hal Dean

From: Mark Showalter [mailto:folkstone57@operamail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

 

"Money" Pink Floyd

7/4 main part of verse

6/4 end of verse

4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro

 

"21st Century Schizoid Man"

Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense of planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s)

----- Original Message -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200

i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one)
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?

The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the notes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.

My point entirely!
 
As a musician I can´t help but be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a musician is doing it ..  alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly I´m hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful!

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