OK Im just gonna HAVE to chime in here, havent before cos I dont really
find much of interest in Fripps work, i of course agknowlege that he has
some history in this genre of technology...
But really Mark...
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mark Showalter
<folkstone57@operamail.com> wrote:
Hello,,
I would add that this is nearly impossible for most places. There isn't
the time, the time available without distractions ( needless to say
empty of customers ) & realistically, no reason to do so.
Thats
just nonsense! you are comparing a world famous millionaire ROCK STAR
with us, lowley louts who can sometimes get a gig in a coffee bar for a
few beers! For someone of this caliber I have NO DOUBT that he has a
small army of technicians running about with venue diagrams, racks upon
racks of graphic equalisers, white noise generators, frequency
analysers, and phase cansellation devices, and discreet delays for
speaker offsets.
A NORMAL PRO band will soundcheck for a minimum of 4
hours in a proffesional venue. OK maybe just the last half hour will be
the band running through a few songs to adjust the onstage mix.
In
my own band of the 90s we would first run white noise through the PA,
take a reading and adjust the graphics to get a flat response, then we
would play the bands intro tape and take another reading, this tape was
mostly bass frequencies, with some highs near the end... then we would
measure the length of the reverb in the hall, usually from front to
back, this calculation would be to adjust the levels and lengths of
reverbs that our sound guy would put on the band, predominatly the drums
and vocals, THEN we would set up backline and do the stage check.. Then
as the intro tape was played, the Sound guy would check again the
analysis of the room, now with bodies in (hopefully).. doing the lows
first and the highs at the end, comparing with the reading from before
the audience dampened the room...and then the band came on...
ALL to fix the sound to each and every specific room... and we were a crapo sounding indie band...
Im absolutely sure that Fripp does this too...
Most audiences simply are unaware of the work that goes into a performance, much less the prep time needed.
True, but they would HEAR the difference, believe me...
Plus,
even thinking about modifying a delay to agree with the room dimentions
is a rather extreme waste of time if it means not being able to get the
practical work done getting ready for a performance.
True...thinking about it would be a waste of time... doing it is an absolute nessecity in any 1000+ room...
All
this assumes, of course, that one has the time in advance to do ANY
prep work. Too often, it's get to the location, set up while another
performer is having his moment in the spotlight, & then.............
Yes
we do.. but I thought we were talking about Mr Fripp... Im sure he has
had plans sent to him, visited the venue before hand (or had someone so
it)
And now to Dennis...
> In light of this reply by Andy about WHY Fripp uses what he does the
> way he does (and it tangentially gets at his attitude about
> photography during his performances), let me ask you all this:
>
> How many of you are willing to take the time to truly understand the
> acoustical space of the places where you perform? How many of you are
> willing to spend the time to measure the delay times in a venue and
> then adjust your gear to maximize the sonic experience of space that
> you might be able to create. And having done all that, how many of you
> are going to ask your audience to experience that space the way that
> you have envisioned playing it? ... now lather, rinse, and repeat for
> 20+ years.
>
um......
> I didn't think so.
Er....absolutely
fucking all of us do something like that Dennis.. you pompous wotsit...
we might not call it "Maximising the sonic experiance of space..." but
we sure as hell fiddle with the mix so it sounds good... what we do
might differ... but measuring the delay times is frankely pretty
ordinary... sorry...
Jeez.. there are some people that one is
really NOT allowed to critisize are you? Just wait for me to get started
on Zappa.. phew what a dick...
Im with Bill here... I dont care
that he has a big rack though, hes rich.. if I was rich and didnt have
to carry it, I would have a fucking big rack... but... well... how to
put it carefully.. he's... well... um... dull as dishwater?
Regards
Mark (running like hell in the oposite direction)