Lots of interesting traffic on this topic, but in case anyone on this list is not aware – the carbon footprint of the Internet is enormous, and it seems to me that in part this is a consequence of the addiction. One of the earliest items that clued me into thinking about this was a post right here on LD from one of the folks who works at a high level for a computer company (maybe Kris H?); the post suggested everyone use plain text for messages, which then engendered a flurry of conversation about the relative number of packets being flung about the ‘net in the case of plain text, rich text, and HTML.
Opinions vary widely but n one who has given it any thought suggests that there is no issue at all.
An admonition to us all, maybe myself especially – never give power tools to someone who has shown they don’t know how to use a hammer.
Hal Dean
From: Revfever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
If being "addicted" to having access to potentially more knowledge and information, and direct communications worldwide than ever before in history, and quickly so, then for me personally, here's to "addiction"! Hurray! Also, the 60's did not "create" the "indulging" of today. Humans have always naturally done this sort of thing and in "cycles". It happens ever few decades or so and is nothing "new". Look at the "Roaring Twenties" or even the 1950's, or go as far back as the Roman Empire and even further back. History just repeats itself,
for better or for worse, or a combo of both. Wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...wash, rinse, repeat...ad infinitum.
Sugar Frosted Flakes,
Rev. Fever
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:39 PM, antonyhequet@yahoo.com wrote:
the internet os more adictive thqn TV and the 60's actually created the indulging of today, Frank Zappa had some nice sonds about it, and the diggers wrote about it when it was happening: But we do not have to revere the 60 or regret them in order to see what we are doing now with our time on mother earth.
Nothing is sacred to us anymore...
Antony
From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:16:08 PM
Subject: Re: (OT) REJECTING MASS MEDIA CULTURE (Was Re: Epic Octatrack Performance Sampler Teaser....
I think we're side-stepping a issue that we don't like the taste of actually.
Blaming it all on TV? Isnt that all a bit old news... surely this "I want it all and I want it NOW" generation has spun out of control because of the..
deep breath... I N T E R N E T...
Thats the real evil I'm terribly sorry to say. Of course we dont want to admit it, none of us would be friends if it want for the net, but the idea that one can get anything, any product is within a shipping date, with tracking number... any information,
(I wanted to know where the source of the ezpression "the real Mc Coy " came from today.. I found out.. in 3 seconds...) OK its good to have all this information at our fingertips... isn't it? Maybe not, maybe we dont have to retain knowledge anymore, maybe we don't have to think? if only I could have my computer in my pocket.. oh wait.. I can... What IS that song onthe radio.. I remember it... but... Ahhh Shazam it.. finished with.. it was Blur... problem solved... song forgotten...again... And film, downloadable in minutes... lets not bother going out at all, whats the point?, why bother watching TV, when we can MAKE TV! Why bother reading informed opinion, when we can read the opinion of millions...?
Im absolutely the worst.. right now, my wife is setting up the cards for a game of Dominion, I have said "just a minute!" twice now...
I'd like to believe that the 60's were the ideals that tED feels we have lost, but its not really true is it,
ok so a handful of actuvists made a large noise about love and peace... Of course I was only just bor, maybe it felt different to those who live through it, but for me the 60's just looks like these shambolic idiotic idiots posing.. have any of you read Timothy Leary? Utter clap trap... Sorry but the hippy ideals leave me shivering as I think of the amount of drug crazed kids dropping out, girls getting raped cos it wasnt cool to say no... Of course it spawned some of the greatest music ever, Beatles, Hendrix, Velvets, Floyd, none could have happened at any other time...
Historically speaking of course, the 60's were a milestone, the babyboomers getting up and saying, Fuck you to their parents, look how well YOU guys did with 2 world wars, Im sure we can do better, but the total freedom that they advocated was just not there... an illusion. The period bookmarked by 2 events that prove it, The shooting
of JFK and Vietnam... Everything in between was marketing, pure and simple.
I think I might have been rambling now... so shoot me...
Going to play cards with the wife...
Night night
Mark
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