| Hi Mark.
I'm only sending a Program Change to each EDP to initiate one of the Presets. You know how you can save something like 14 different configurations of parameters, and then recall those "Presets" of parameters by sending a Program Change? That's the only time. And that's just at the very beginning of a sequence, right after a general reset command, and before a CC#1=127, and CC#7=127, to make sure that I start out with Loop Volume and Feedback set all the way up. I am using MIDI Notes to trigger the commands. I haven't tried Sampler Style and Re-triggering the loops at every bar. But I did try a sequence of ReAlign commands sent to each EDP just before the beginning of every 4 bar loop. It looked like it was going well until things got off by a cycle and made a mess of the song. I combed through the lines in the sequence programing trying to find where the misplaced ReAlign command was and couldn't find it. That's when I really started to suspect my MPC1000 of unruly shenanigans.
If we don't learn to control the machines and keep them subservient to us, then they're just gonna take over. I want them to do what I tell them to, not the other way around.
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---John M. __________________________________________ On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:20 PM, mark francombe wrote: Just a short question from one who has 2 perfectly synching edps... Are you sending pgm changes to edp? Send midi notes... I find that they miss fire less than pgm changes. I use a crap old drum machine to send midi notes to 2 edps, just record, next loop, etc and it works well.... Maybe you could try sampler style, and re trigger loops on every bar?
Mark
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Thank you for the replies. _________________________ Luis, I certainly and intimately understand your point about it not being very fun trying to get these 2 EDP's to get along with the drum machine. I just hope that I will succeed and not have lost all this time for nothing.
_______________________________ Hello Jim. I have tried the configuration you mentioned. I didn't try a simple 10 second loop and wait to see if that stayed locked. I will try that. My guess is that it will probably stay synced so long as I don't try to do anything more than record the two 10 second loops and let it run with the sequencer. But simple 10 second loops aren't what I'm trying to do. However, I'm not trying to do anything more than what the manual claims they are capable of.
I would love to hear more about your experience with your 3 EDPs brother synced. I'm guessing you had 1 master set to Sync=in and and 2 slaves brother synced with sync=out and MIDI going from the Master OUT to the IN of slave 1, the slave 1's OUT to slave 2's IN, and a tip-ring-sleve-Y cable connected to all 3 Brother Sync jacks. Please tell me more about how you used this.
I did discover that my MPC1000 might be a liar and a cheat. I noticed that it was sending a command that didn't appear in the sequence. I couldn't make sense of it. But when I rewrote the entire sequence in step edit mode in a new sequence, it no longer sent the ghost command. I think maybe the command was still in there in the original sequence even though I couldn't see it listed. I think it might have been the result of some editing and deleting that I had previously done. If that's the case, then that's a pretty buggy OS from AKAI. There is another ghost command that seems to be stuck in a different sequence of mine. So I tried to fix it by copy and pasting the tracks to new tracks and muting the old ones, hoping this might clean it up. At the beginning of the sequence I have a Program Change going out to place the EDP's into the proper Preset mode. The newly pasted track appears the same in the Step Edit view. The same list of commands. But when I play the new track with the old one muted, the Program Change doesn't seem to be sent. Even though I see, the EDP's don't see it. If I mute the new tracks and play the old ones, the EDP's see the Program Change and change to the appropriate preset. Both tracks have the same list of commands, exactly the same. So I never even got to the ghost command that I was trying to clear up. I'm thinking of trying the JJOS for my MPC1000. People seem to like it and rave about it's stability. And AKAI has not responded to my emails.
I'm trying to keep this short. I know I just failed with that last paragraph. I've noticed that being too thorough with the details can sometimes turn potential help away.
---John M.
_______________________________________________ On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:48 AM, james fowler wrote:
it's been years since i've had my hands on a hardware edp but i never had problems with brother syncing and i had three edps running together. might wanna try this (this is how i ran 'em): connect the mpc/midi-generating device to ONE edp, which will be the master. brother sync the "slave" to the "master". send basic commands...like just get it to record a ten second loop. see if they slip out of sync with this basic setup. this might at least help you locate where shit is breaking down.
- jim
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
never got both to sync properly
use one or both independently is way more fun and less time consuming;-)
cheers
Luis
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:08 AM, John Metzler < jarofjam@me.com> wrote:
> Hello Loopers.
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> I'd love to hear from some of you who have used multiple EDP's as an audio sequencer with a MIDI sequencer/drum machine. I have an EDP for a Bass Guitar and a second one for an Electric Guitar. I'm programing an MPC 1000 to send the commands and MIDI Clock to the EDPs. I'm only trying to do simple Verse/Chorus/Bridge stuff. I'll record a couple of differently layered versions of a chorus and a verse and then trigger the loops with switch-quantized loop trigger commands to arrange the parts. I have not yet found a reliable way to keep both of the EDP's from slipping out of time with each other. Even brother syncing them slips most of the time.
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> Andy and Matthias have both been helpful in pointing out some possibilities. But unfortunately I haven't had any solid luck with any method I've tried yet. I also asked an old list member named Claud Voit, but he wasn't into making music with loops anymore.
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> Any success stories out there using the same techniques I'm employing?
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