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Yes! That's exactly what I do. Play guitar. I just use the looper as
an underpaid rhythm section.
Butch
On Sunday, January 16, 2011, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Mark Hamburg schrieb:
>
> Okay. I don't use pre-recorded loops. But I think I am coming to
>appreciate why most of the loop pedals out there (the LP2 soon to be an
>exception) are so feature limited.
> [...]
> So, I've got the LP1 and it does all sorts of wonderful things and under
>pressure from Bill I've even jury rigged myself a MIDI foot controller (I
>now have a very confused EDP). What do I do? I record static loops and
>let them play. Maybe I throw them into reverse of half-speed. Maybe I
>turn on scramble. And I generally set up multiple loops often of
>different lengths. But after getting a few loops going and mixed, it all
>just becomes backing tracks.
>
> When does my Looper's Delight membership card get pulled? When do I stop
>getting invited to Santa Cruz to perform? ;-
>
> Dear Mark,
>
> first of all, I believe there's no risk of your LD membership card
>getting pulled, or you no longer being invited to perform in Santa Cruz -
>simply because I remember having a very long conversation to the former
>CEO of/now senior consultant to the Santa Cruz festival as to how he ever
>uses variable feedback ;).
> (this is taken largely out of context here, so this should not be taken
>as a general statement about Rick's approach).
>
> I liked your description, simply because my personal loop evolution was
>just the other way around: when I did the first loop things (in 1997 -
>that's when I first subscribed to LD...), I was working with to rather
>short delays. Now those had, like any delay, variable feedback, but I
>never used it back then - everything was 100% (except perhaps for a quick
>fadeout at the end).
> The next steps were, not specifically in that order, Headrush, DL4, RDS
>2001 and then Repeater. Now the Repeater has variable (secondary)
>feedback, only same here - I almost never used that, and the same is true
>for the early phases of my use of Möbius (starting in 2006 - I remember
>that I was first completely puzzled by the "secondary feedback" thing
>because I couldn't understand why anybody would want a loop fading while
>it's not in overdub!).
> Luckily, I had gotten a DD20 for my 2006 appearance at Rick's festival,
>and as you may know, the looper mode in this thing sucks, but the long
>delays are cool. So I was more or less forced to play with feedback
>(which, with a delay, is of the EDP "primary" kind). And those
>experiences ("hey, that's cool !") then led to me also using that with
>Möbius.
>
> [Self-plug here - you can find something in the guitar solo in the
>second part of "Detlev on Drugs" from my "Weird Specialist" album (2007):
>http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/detlev-on-drugs - there's both static
>audio and MIDI "backing track" loops (e.g. e piano, synbass, drums and
>two or three guitars), before a guitar solo starts at 5:22 to play with
>its own looper version, which gets reversed and halfspeeded and
>multiplied in the process].
>
> Ok, getting to the point:
> The reason why those things that keep coming out are so feature-limited:
>not only that for their most important use case (that being recording
>layered performances), most musicians don't need the fancy stuff, they
>wouldn't even know how to use it when you gave it to them.
> So the plan for a company which already has those features or plans to
>implement them would be to tell their customer base they need that, even
>though they don't know what it is. It seems (and this is only from what
>you can see from the description/video available) that Vox has found a
>clever way of doing this, by putting all the odd stuff (e.g.
>kinda-multiply, variable feedback) into the "resample" function and as
>long as you don't use it, you have your
>membership-getting-pulled-backing-track-looper.
>
> Rainer
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