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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > Theres no worse kinda looping to me than this " Watch and marvel as I >create > a whole track out of nothing... > "Heres the drums, here comes the bass, here comes the rythym.. then 5 > minutes into the track we have all the instruments going and the song can > now start" Yes, a big challenge in live looping is to create complex multi part music FAST! For me the scripting in Mobius has helped a lot to get right at the musical essential with less boring "transportation time". Another solution is to make each part interesting in itself, maybe by strategically choosing the best order for adding parts - so that each new part raises a question mark that will be answered by the next added part, thus creating a "questions vs answers" flow out of the otherwise boring part-building phase. A third technique - that once inspired Matthias Grob to come up with the idea for the EDP - is to not play music that simply stacks parts on top of each other but to make the music evolve by changing it over time, replacing parts, adding new layers, fading out old stuff, fading in new stuff etc etc. Rick, that initiated this thread, also talks a lot about "changing the loops as you are performing" and he sure does that a lot in his shows. I've even seen him improvise a decent ending to stop a live looping piece that didn't immediately take off in an interesting way. By doing that you still turn the "failure" into a decent piece of music, although very short ;-), and you can go on with a new piece that will then sound even more interesting as it takes over from the preceding "less interesting" piece. Live looping is a lot about taking on the audience's perspective on what you are doing as you are instantly doing it. When performing you are both the conductor, the orchestra and the audience at the same time (composer too if doing impro). IMHO that's what it's about, having that split vision/hearing while creating. > arn't we also over the... > "Everything I do must be done BY looping" > thing. I love looping but one thing that never stops annoying me with loopping is that you can't do ritardandi or accelerandi! This frustration has led me to come up with live sound design that makes a non-looping instrument sound similar in timbre to a stuffed looper, so that I will be able to go from free playing into live looping and back again with not too much feel of creating a musical break. This makes it easier to combine the repeating machine like feel of loops with an organic flow of rhythmically free playing. Picking up the Stick is for me another way to achieve more instantly playable musical parts without the need of looping one part before playing the additional part. If you listen to Kora music you may find that it actually is "live looping music but without the technical looping". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub