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after all of this chat, I still think my next controller will be a Soft Step, I talked to one of their sales guys today and they are starting to offer it with some pre-loaded command templates so one doesn't necessarily need to take on a new learning curve to get up and running quickly. It will also work for hardware d dinosaurs like moi' though that may be old news.. I doubt I will be trying to trigger it with Doc Martens but my Gordius also requires proper flat soled looping shoes so i'm not afraid of a light touch. Also because of its size i could see using it in conjunction with my gordius for an expanded number of available preset options without having to bank up or down, now beads of sweat or beginning to form on my forehead........................... Bill