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Hi Michael, I want to provide you with well articulated input but I am just up to my eyeballs on another front today. I'll tie out with you over the weekend outside the forum. In the meanwhile, have you explored the EDP multiply function? d On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Michael Tyson wrote: > (Resending this without images, as I think the system might have dropped >the message - been a few hours since I sent the original) > > > Right, so I've gone away and done some thinking, and I'm hoping to gauge >your thoughts on this, if I may be so bold. > > Firstly, about new loop length quantisation: > >>> Please remember to offer odd numbers as well! Ableton's Looper only >>> Multiplies/Divides by 2 and that really sucks when you are used to >>> setting up poly rhythmic textures that matches 3 against 4. >> >> Here here! Also very limiting when trying to improvise song forms >where differing song sections have differing lengths that are not even >multiples of the first loop. This limitation in Ableton has driven many >to use mobius rather than than the ableton looper. >> >> (and once you have scaled the learning curve of mobius, there really is >no going back. Why climb a lesser mountain? > > My current plan is, Loopy will round new loops to whatever multiple's >closest, be it 2, 4, 3, 5, or anything you can dream up. If the new loop >is shorter than the master loop, however, it currently limits to >power-of-two fractions (half, quarter, etc), under the assumption that >it's going to be harder to accurately time shorter lengths manually, so >it makes some guesses to help you out. > > I'm thinking for more weird fractions, the below scheme with auto-punch >might do the trick. > > So, I need to devise a simple way to configure and trigger auto-punch - >to quantize the punch out control events. (Unless advised otherwise, I'm >thinking of limiting punch in - the count-in - to the beginning of the >next master loop) > > I sent the following to Daniel already, but I'm very interested in Per's >opinion too, and anyone else who's out there. > > I'm still pondering the options here - it's got to be something that >gives easy access to a base setting (eg. 1x master loop) for beginners, >but that provides the ability to indicate different durations, too, for >more advanced users. > > Perhaps what's needed is a basic default - 1 X the master loop, but then >more advanced users can configure other lengths. > > Something I've implemented already in Loopy is a radial menu system that >you access by holding a track: > > http://resources.atastypixel.com/PastedGraphic-2.png > > And radial sliders, that you change by dragging your finger around the >circle, like a knob: > > http://resources.atastypixel.com/PastedGraphic-3.png > http://resources.atastypixel.com/PastedGraphic-4.png > > Perhaps one setting could be "Auto end" (or something), which, when >selected, gives you a slider to select multiples, or fractions of the >main loop. The interaction would be: > > - Hold finger on track till menu appears > - Tap 'Auto end' > - Slide radial slider around to configure length (perhaps when it's >below a certain threshold, like 1/2, it activates stutter mode, which >will keep recording indefinitely, but stuttering on every 1/nth duration?) > - Tap to hide menu > > Then, when you're ready: > > - Tap with 2 fingers to do a count-in that starts at the beginning of >the next master loop, and runs until the set duration's up. > > Or, to start recording straight away: > > - Tap the center, then > - Tap the track again with 2 fingers to activate the auto-end. > > Is that too hard? I'll need to have a look to see how existing systems >handle it, I think - particularly whether they present it as a setting >you pre-configure, or some gesture/etc that lets you instantly select the >length at the time you start recording. > > Many thanks, again, > Michael
