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Andy,ive been working with both lately and have pretty much down the basics,though Mobius is the king of loopers i tell you that little looper in Ableton 8 is a shy monster! it has all the important stuff you need,record,multiply,overdub,pitch shift,feedback reverse and it will slave any groove you put into ableton perfectly in sync. Everythng in it is "midi learneable" you just activate the midi learn function on Ableton and push on your favorite foot controller You can also use the same looper in different tracks as well,so imagine having 4 or more different loopers! not only that but once you have a loop you like you can insert it in a scene and use it to create arrangments.Then you can put any after fxs adfter the looper like delays or reverbs etc. and they will all sync to the beat!! So now that you have all that enchilada going,just push record in ableton and start recording your performance and arrangement in realtime by turning things on and off etc. Im so busy with that at the moment that i havent really messed with mobius that much,there is som much you can do with the little looper,and everything ive mentioned is in Ableton without the need of x tra plugins.Ableton is also very stable and as Sjaak said is like looking at a mixer which makes things very logical. Try it! Luis On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Andy Owens <andy@1800dialword.com> wrote: > So, if all you wanted was a simple, rock solid looper, then you >would/could > just run mobius standalone, with no processing or mangling, just straight > record audio post analog effects? > > > > Ao > > > > From: Simeon Harris [mailto:simeonharris40@googlemail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:41 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ableton/Mobius consulting gig > > > > well one reason would be so that you could post process the loops with fx > plugins. or pre-process...depending on what you want to do. i host mobius > inside bidule for this very reason. another cool thing about ableton (i > gather) is that you can create midi clips and fire them off via midi. the > clip can contain controller data, or notes or program changes and be > quantized, so you can do some pretty cool stuff. > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:51 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> > wrote: > > Sim Sez; "i ask, because i could set up mobius for you, but i know >nothing > of this ableton of which you speak" > > > > My thoughts exactly, I'm wondering what is the essential reason for > running one platform inside another? Mobius running in Abelton as an > example? or superlooper in Abelton. Is it for managing effects plug ins >or > more extended script commands? My embarrasing computer brain disconnect > issues oozing to the surface.... > > Thanks > > Bill > > -- www.luis-angulo.com