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Probably 10 years before I got a decent sound out of it:) I sure spent waaaaay longer than 30 mins with the rang 3 practicing just that and never felt comfortable. So I guess the real issue is me:) I'm not skilled enough to use the boomerang. Octave lower, octave slower. If I gave myself 10 years your right I probably would get pretty good at it, or I could use Mobius/Sooperlooper and the issue is gone :) > ;-) well, how long did it take you to learn to play your instrument? > > one extra button press will take you 30mins to learn > andy > -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876