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As in ambience behind the main signal. I continue to love my Korg AM8000R, but it's a rack unit and that makes things less mobile, so today I decided to try to push my Line6 M13 harder. The verdict is that I miss some things from the Korg -- pitch shifting delays with feedback especially, stepped phasers to a lesser extent -- but chain together 3 or 4 careful chosen effects all set to 100% wet and one can get a fairly nice ambient vibe going. The Obi Wah is a good substitute for the stepped phasers, for example. This is an area where the M13 seems to win over the M9: One more effect and you can see all of the live effects at once for tweakage. The downside, of course, is size. And then there's the matter of really needing to run this sort of chain 100% wet which means that there are routing issues to deal with. Still, I am starting to see how it could be very appealing to use the M13 as an ambient looper either on the floor or raised up onto a stand for easier tweakage. Mark P.S. Something I haven't tried yet, but it occurs to me: You can put the looper anywhere you want in the signal chain if you use the effects loop. You put your pre-loop effects in the later slots, put your input into the FX send before these effects, then feed your output to the input, run the looper pre-FX, and use the effects send as the output. Instrument -> FX Return -> Pre-loop FX -> Output -> Input -> Looper -> Post-loop FX -> FX Send -> Amplifier/Mixer/...