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OK between Mark Hamburg and Bill Walker I've found some effective ways to 'tease time' out of loops of unknown length. My original question came from a desire to figure out how to sneakily subdivide a long, repeating ambient loop from my non-MIDI Pigtronix Echolution. Had hoped there was some Zen mathematics that could be brought to bear... ;) These solutions, however, require MIDI and a looper, in this case an LP-1. And that's fine with me. So I have discovered what is doubtless to you more experienced loopers would call 'The Oldest Trick In The Book' :D - Start with an running empty loop, with MIDI clock generated by the looper, sending out to whatever, in this case the SL-20 Slicer (Thanks Mark). - With a volume pedal, sneak in a bit of the slicer's effect send here and there - and the time will gently emerge :) and / or: - Using Q-replace on the LP-1, in this case set for 16, drop some beeps and boops in here and there, and again, time will emerge (Thanks Bill). Old news to the Council of Elders, but great fun for me ! Best, Phil :)