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Very interesting questions brought up by Ben. Myself I look less to what happens in a technical sense (whether audio or data is being manipulated) but more to who I'm talking to and the nature of the processing itself: If anything you create is caught to repeatedly come back I think it is a loop. And if you use that to make music you are looping. If comping audio looping and step sequencing I think the same goes: If recording one long part or creating one long sequence you are not looping, but if working with a short repeating piece of audio or building a part form a shorter repeating pattern it is looping. But generally I avoid words like looping and sequencing to avoid confusion. Of course it depends on who you are talking to, but my usual "self description" is to say that I incorporate interactive electronics into the instrument I play and perform with. If talking to a journalist at a musician's magazine or if talking to a musician you may go into fine definitions because you know they have the experience to follow what you are saying. But for most people I find that seem to end up thinking just "he is extending his instrument with electronics" anyway. For an academic paper it would be necessary to iron out the terminology in a precise way, but then you will bump into that classic situation where most people outside those circle just think you're nuts ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > ... and how would you call someone recording audio signal used to > trigger sounds ;-) > > Imagine the path( I never tested this but this can be possible with > the gear I own): > > Guitar > looper (audio) > sonuus G2M (audio to midi) > some > synth(midi) > PA. > The same should be possible with "vintage" synths using CV. Has anyone > already tried to loop the CV signal? I mean in a audio looper. There > might be some extra electronics needed. > > This is "live audio loop sequencing"? ;-) > > Ben. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote: > (16/11/2011 23:09) > >> I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different but >> similar >> to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, the >> "loop" >> is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing", the actual loop >> is a >> set of trigger instructions. >> >> Similarly, programming a drum machine in real time would also be "live >> sequencing". (I do that occasionally in my band Tiny Owl.) >> >> Of course, you could then run audio output of the sequence into a >> looping >> device. In that case, it would be live looping. >> >> So here's the big question - how important is it for you to call it >> "live >> looping"? I think live sequencing can be just as interesting. >> >> It occurs to me we could get into a fine line of argument here. When you >> write audio into a digital loop, you are literally saving a set of >> instructions for rebuilding the audio signal. So where live sequencing >> would say, "At this moment, activate this sound with these parameters", >> live looping would say, "At this moment, the waveform should be at this >> voltage." To me, they are different because they present different sets >> of >> possibilities of how you interact with the loop. To most listeners, the >> difference is probably much more subtle than that of playing guitar >> with a >> pick vs with your fingers. >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Anders Bergdahl < >> anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > SO, i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. >> > This >> > piece of music (and noise): >> > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic-evolution >> > >> > is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler >> > played >> > live, some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the >> > sequences. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to >> > "record" >> > live triggering of samples and the effect and changes in playback >> > speed, re-triggering, pitch, length of samples etc that you perform >> > "live"... >> > Why do I think this is live looping, well... every run through the >> > sequencer is a loop, I can record live all that is captured in the >> > sequence. I try, as I do with ordinary looping, to tweak all the time >> > so >> > that there is development and there is NO way I could ever do this >> > exact >> > recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again but >> > something else >> > would be the result.. >> > (and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as well... =) >> > >> > So do YOU consider this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the >> > discussion.. >> > >> > Anders >> > > >