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Something you need to keep in mind when discussing these matters is that all latency compensation and track/channel timing adjustment options in Live only works when Live is the sync master. So in my Live-as-slave live looping rig all that isn't even an option ;-) Per On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> wrote: > The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a > bit > off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I get > about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem. > > I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I > really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff. > > On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my >> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I >> do: >> >> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to >> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock >> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box. >> >> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the >> IAC Bus port. >> >> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem. >> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect >> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too, >> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical >> either. >> >> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed >> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin >> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of >> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a >> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not >> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first >> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly >> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU >> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going >> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both >> Live's effects and the iDrum beats. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote: >> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock. >> > >> > >> > os. >> > >> > >> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> I like the test method they describe here. >> >> >> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html >> >> >> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all >> >> midi interfaces). >> >> >> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page. >> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error >> >> of 10mS for midi clocks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following, >> >> (...yet). >> >> >> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks >> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting. >> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter >> >> might >> >> through off the LP1. >> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted. >> >> >> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a >> >> certain >> >> window of >> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob >> >> to make that window larger. >> >> >> >> >> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host >> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance. >> >> >> >> Or try a different midi interface. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> andy >> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os >> >> has >> >> chipped in it's all over. ) >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better >> >>> govern >> >>> MIDI >> >>> clock sync? >> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html >> >>> >> >>> Phil >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > os@collective.co.uk >> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers >> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ >> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >> > >> >