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Re: Innerclock



Something you need to keep in mind when discussing these matters is
that all latency compensation and track/channel timing adjustment
options in Live only works when Live is the sync master. So in my
Live-as-slave live looping rig all that isn't even an option ;-)

Per



On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> The sync within ableton is fine, but sending midi out to hardware is a 
> bit
> off. I'm running three synced pedals, bass synth, and drum machine. I get
> about 2-3ms of latency, which is a problem.
>
> I use silent way for cv stuff, and the cv synced pedals are rock solid. I
> really want to get the es-4 and do cv to midi stuff.
>
> On Jan 16, 2012 9:52 AM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep. Pre v.8 was horrible but now it works well enough here in my
>> setup (according to my taste that is). For background, here's what I
>> do:
>>
>> 1. Set the tempo by making a loop in Mobius VST plugin. Mobius set to
>> OS X IAC Bus as "Plugin MIDI Output", means the generated MIDI Clock
>> goes out the virtual "MIDI cable" in-the-box.
>>
>> 2. Set Live to follow external sync and listen for sync input by the
>> IAC Bus port.
>>
>> 3. For using Live as an effect rack the tempo jitter isn't a problem.
>> Clocked delay return taps is the most advanced timing dependent effect
>> I use. I do some harsh tremolo effect tempo division sweeping too,
>> used as musical transition fills in improvisation. Not timing critical
>> either.
>>
>> 4. Canned drums could be problematic though, if using MIDI programmed
>> in Live to drive a drum sampler. But I rather use the iDrum AU plugin
>> that has its own pattern sequencer with built-in song chaining of
>> patterns. This sounds ok to my ears. No timing jitter but sometimes a
>> bit of drifting, but that only sounds cool. However, it is not
>> possible to kick off a set with the iDrum volume up because the first
>> few seconds Ableton Live is desperately catching up on the suddenly
>> incoming MIDI Clock and can't provide hosted plugins a proper VST/AU
>> sync. When I'm up an running I can do abrupt tempo changes by going
>> Multiply-Record in Mobius and have a nice tempo adjustment of both
>> Live's effects and the iDrum beats.
>>
>> Per
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Live is notorious for its poor MIDI clock.
>> >
>> >
>> > os.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 16 January 2012 13:02, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> I like the test method they describe here.
>> >>
>> >> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Clock%20Watch.html
>> >>
>> >> I bet not all DAW software is equal in this respect (and not all
>> >> midi interfaces).
>> >>
>> >> Innerclock actual have some test results if you scroll down the page.
>> >> With Live and an Edirol Interface they find a max error
>> >> of 10mS for midi clocks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I haven't done proper tests on the LP1 clock following,
>> >> (...yet).
>> >>
>> >> ...but unless Ableton is actually dropping a few clocks
>> >> the LP1 *shouldn't* be drifting.
>> >> However, I *can* imagine that a particular pattern in the jitter 
>> >> might
>> >> through off the LP1.
>> >> Or the error in timing on the source is greater than Bob predicted.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how LP1 follows clock, but it may be that beyond a 
>> >> certain
>> >> window of
>> >> error it just gives up...could conceivably be a quick fix for Bob
>> >> to make that window larger.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It might be worth experimenting with a different host
>> >> to see what happens. Plogue Bidule for instance.
>> >>
>> >> Or try a different midi interface.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> andy
>> >> (I'd be sceptical of the product...only Per beat me to it, and now Os
>> >> has
>> >> chipped in it's all over. )
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone have any experience using Innerclock products to better 
>> >>> govern
>> >>> MIDI
>> >>> clock sync?
>> >>> http://innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Products.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Phil
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > os@collective.co.uk
>> > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
>> > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
>> > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>> >
>>
>