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I didn't know that about TONO! I'm affiliated with STIM here and STIM doesn't apply special regulations to improvised vs composed music - but well some genre specific targeting (different genres being compensated according different tariffs - yes, a grey area). A (different) new thing with STIM is that you can register work as "Library", meaning you compose it for specific use in media and not to be offered the public market. That's for producing composers that want to sell their work directly business-to-business wise to music users. I don't use that option though, as I have decided to work with an independent media music publishing house that handles STIM on one side and on the other side promotes my music on B2B market. I guess that is better in the long run. Related rant: Sometimes you hear people say that improvised music should be compensated at a lower rate than composed for the reason that "it only takes three minutes to perform a three minute piece of improvised music while three minutes composed music might have been worked on for a year". I thing this attitude is a misconception based on ignorance. In the real world no one is born out of nowhere with an instant ability to create music on the spot. If an artist wants to spend ten years developing this ability it just as an important preparation as another artist that might use ten years to "think up" ten specific musical pieces. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > <per> > ...you need to register improvisations as compositions. > </per> > > Interestingly this might not be the case from one country to another, > however Per. The US does use a quite different system from us I believe. > There is no doubt that COPYRIGHT, exists for you the moment you record or > write a piece, but thats not what we´re talking about is it? > > In so far as Performing rights is concerned, I just recently registered a > bunch of recordings with my Perfoming Rights society here in Norway. > Thats > TONO (Same for you Per?) they have a little checkbox for IMPROVISED . > Now I > DIDNT click it, and funnily enough, yesterday got a mail from them > inquiering if a couple were really compositions OR were they in fact > improvisations, they had noticed the running time, 45 minutes. Now Im > STILL > not sure what that means in terms of what money I may or may not recieve > if > anyone used that piece for something, the same I think, but why > categorize > it differently...? > > So I have to say that I gave a waffelly reply, that although the pieces > could be said to contain parts of an improvisational nature, they pieces > were carefully researched and often heavily edited afterwards. This is > true, > many pieces start as an improv, but I often overdub new material... cut > out > the crap... snip bits... reverse bits... overlap bits... > > All I know is that there is an unknown sneaky video editor at NRK > (Norwegian > TV channel) who is using some of my music on an ident... obviously one > of my > friends, but who..? and they need to pay me!!! > > > MArk > > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Gmail <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I've always, for one, wondered how the process of copyrighting your >> > music goes. But I also wonder is it worth copyrighting something >> > totally >> > improvised? >> >> >> About receiving compensation as the creator when your improvised works >> are being used: >> >> I talked to both my PRO and independent publishing partners about this >> and the rule in all territories (countries) is that you need to >> register improvisations as compositions. This may seem weird at first, >> but If thinking about it there isn't something like a defined border >> between composition and improvisation. A composition can very well >> contain directions for an improvisation to be carried out, like for >> example the extreme "play anything". A registered composition needs to >> have a name and a duration time. Some genre tagging may also be asked >> for. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >