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Ricky, it's probably user error ;) That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D Phil :) On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I use > cycle :) > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger > <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >> Christopher, >> >> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to >> get the commands from there to the plugin. >> >> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in the >> clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - >> it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" >> section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop >> (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, >> make it so. >> >> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open >> Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that >> Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first >> track sends the notes. >> >> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands >> from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed >> to set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this >> needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup >> and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then >> stuff started happening :) >> >> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that Note >> On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. >> >> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with >> the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin >> is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the place. >> WIll get it figured out eventually :) >> >> Hope that helps Christopher. >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >> >>> >>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, >>> what'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >>> >>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make >>> more time for music next week and would like to check it out. >>> >>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >>> >>> >>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> >>>> Ricky, Per - >>>> >>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG >>>> are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>>> >>>> Very best, >>>> >>>> Phil :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>>> >>>>> Glad the set works. >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. >>>>>> And I >>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do >>>>>> the real >>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>>> >>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the >>>>>> abstract >>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and >>>>>> panel-bound. >>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I >>>>>> have not >>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a >>>>>> *routing* >>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment >>>>>> texts, the >>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in >>>>>> the manual >>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work >>>>>> in the >>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were >>>>>> in any >>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. >>>>>> Was not >>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my >>>>>> wife keeps >>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just >>>>>> 'pick up >>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>>> >>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility >>>>>> issue, rather >>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and >>>>>> still not >>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those >>>>>> in >>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote >>>>>> prefs in >>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little >>>>>> sense. Your >>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe >>>>>> you >>>>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>>> >>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will >>>>>> also >>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did >>>>>> we ever >>>>>> do before the interweb? >>>>>> >>>>>> Phil :D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will >>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> r >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you >>>>>>>>>> clarify? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over >>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin >>>>>>>>> hosted >>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that >>>>>>>>> for this >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's >>>>>>>>> mixer >>>>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's >>>>>>>>> MIDI >>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI >>>>>>>>> Sync" tab. >>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but >>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" >>>>>>>>> (there >>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter >>>>>>>>> to pass >>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" >>>>>>>>> (there >>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it >>>>>>>>> tricky >>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the >>>>>>>>> physical >>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot >>>>>>>>> addressing) >>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's >>>>>>>>> output >>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >