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And synch is now working well. There seems to be a small hiccup between when I say "jump" and Echoloop says "how high," and that was creating perception of lack of synch. Adjusting the track delay in Ableton to some 15-30 ms seems to make it all work out. Phil :) On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Ricky, it's probably user error ;) > > That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing > wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D > > Phil :) > > > On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > >> Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I use >> cycle :) >> >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger >> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Christopher, >>> >>> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to >>> get the commands from there to the plugin. >>> >>> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in >>> the clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip >>> - it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI >>> To" section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to >>> Echoloop (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way >>> already, make it so. >>> >>> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open >>> Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that >>> Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first >>> track sends the notes. >>> >>> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands >>> from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed >>> to set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that >>> this needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs >>> setup and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio >>> interface, then stuff started happening :) >>> >>> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that >>> Note On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. >>> >>> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with >>> the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin >>> is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the place. >>> WIll get it figured out eventually :) >>> >>> Hope that helps Christopher. >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, >>>> what'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >>>> >>>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make >>>> more time for music next week and would like to check it out. >>>> >>>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ricky, Per - >>>>> >>>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG >>>>> are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>>>> >>>>> Very best, >>>>> >>>>> Phil :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad the set works. >>>>>> >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the >>>>>>> solution. And I >>>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and >>>>>>> do the real >>>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the >>>>>>> abstract >>>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and >>>>>>> panel-bound. >>>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I >>>>>>> have not >>>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a >>>>>>> *routing* >>>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment >>>>>>> texts, the >>>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in >>>>>>> the manual >>>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my >>>>>>> work in the >>>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were >>>>>>> in any >>>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. >>>>>>> Was not >>>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my >>>>>>> wife keeps >>>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t >>>>>>> just 'pick up >>>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility >>>>>>> issue, rather >>>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and >>>>>>> still not >>>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong >>>>>>> solution ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote >>>>>>> prefs in >>>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little >>>>>>> sense. Your >>>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D >>>>>>> Maybe you >>>>>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did >>>>>>> we ever >>>>>>> do before the interweb? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil :D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will >>>>>>>>> send >>>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> r >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen >>>>>>>>> <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you >>>>>>>>>>> clarify? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite >>>>>>>>>> well in >>>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over >>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin >>>>>>>>>> hosted >>>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that >>>>>>>>>> for this >>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and >>>>>>>>>> Live's mixer >>>>>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's >>>>>>>>>> MIDI >>>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI >>>>>>>>>> Sync" tab. >>>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but >>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" >>>>>>>>>> (there >>>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences >>>>>>>>>> window and >>>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter >>>>>>>>>> to pass >>>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" >>>>>>>>>> (there >>>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the >>>>>>>>>> MIDI >>>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it >>>>>>>>>> tricky >>>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing >>>>>>>>>> for that >>>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the >>>>>>>>>> physical >>>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot >>>>>>>>>> addressing) >>>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's >>>>>>>>>> output >>>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >