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I can understand your frustration, Mark. Especially when you work hard at your craft and you see others (novices, amateurs) succeed with a nominal amount of effort. I am a certainly a proponent of demystifying technologically driven approaches to music composition and performance, and I am glad that these types of tools are accessible and applicable within many people's creative process. In my experience, it tends to result in situation whereby we develop new approaches using the tools that we love. As you say, there is a saturation of "live looping" artists, musicians - amateurs and professionals but to my mind the techniques are still all quite basic and the members of the community produce much more exciting music. However, creativity should be encouraged IMHO, no matter what. I find it interesting that LD has developed its own "virtuosity meter" - a way to measure the success of your craft based on, as you put it, "tricks" you use. I think this happens in every type of genre and style of music and/or music community. That is not to say that everyone thinks this way about music. For the record, I find all that fascinating too. After all, these types of communities are incredibly important, not only to us musicians but to those who are developing our tools and the approaches we adopt in practice. Cheers to you, LD. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > Well Ricky, I reacted to the fact that Torben just hit reply on my post, > copied the whole thread under his mail and said folks were trolling.. > twas > mine that show up first.. so, maybe he wasnt pointing at me.. > > But Yes Ricky, the interesting thing about this thread is that looping is > pretty passé now.. anyone can do it (hooray) and we prob need to stop > just > posting EVERYTHING just cos its looping... There is a guy here in Norway > who > has become a HUGE hit of the song form looping.. all my friends are > saying.. > its so cool how he loops himself... I sigh and point out that theyve been > coming to my gigs for 12 years.. and they look at me.. pause.. blink a > few > time... then go back to saying how cool this guy is... > > I feel that solo pub singers have gotten the biggest change in their > lives > from Looping... > > BUt as a film-maker I have simerlar issues at work, the extremely high > level > of proffesionality an amateur can achive with a home PC and lots of time, > is so astounding its hard for ME to to continue to charge 1025 kroners an > hour for my films... Its getting tougher and tougher... > Damn computers... before it was all a mystery we hid from the un-washed > masses... Grrr... > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ricky Graham > <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> > In what possible way could you say my post was trolling? >> >> I don't think anyone is suggesting you are "trolling." You make some >> good observations in your post. >> >> > Is'nt it interesting, that live looping has become so cool, that this >> > guy writes a song that EMULATES live looping but isn't??? >> >> This is exactly what I am getting at. Look beyond what you deem to be >> worthy of your praise for its musical caliber for a moment and see >> that it clearly conveys the concept of looping audio. It could prove >> to be a useful platform. >> >> Ricky >> >> >> >> > On 27 Apr 2012, at 03:08, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Wow, some of you guys are scarily brutal in your response to that >> >> video. Interesting to see what kind of thoughts goes through other >> >> musicians/loop artists/trolls minds though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >