while we are on the subject Bill,
The quest for me now is believe it or not and as naive as it might sound not so much studio but " amp placement onstage";-)
Im not really concern with studio amp gear,i think with the amount of plugins and boxes out there you can get very satisfying results quickly and more efficient that spending so much money in boutique amps and hours trying to get the magical mike position
This is where the Kemper and the Axe might be worth their money.
However most such discussions about amps evolves on what we as guitarrist hear and feel and our quest of the ultimate guitar amp magic through P.A. speakers,plus the transport factor,nowdays we have too haul P.A.s as
well!
So the questions is,is there really a huge difference of the sound coming out of 2 10" P.A. boxes,wether is miking your amp,or through a 400.-dlls Modeler,or through an Axe FX or a Kemper amp?
this is the real mystery for me since the end output is mostly all through P.A. systems and im hardly ever in front to hear it the whole night
i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)
ive been to concerts where ive seen players with their awesome classic tube amps all miked but in the back of the audience they didnt sound that great to my ears really
ive also been right in front of the stage and thats when i can say ive enjoyed the guitar sound coming through such amps the most, feeling that "thump"
ive seen concert with
dudes using amp modelers that sounded terrible and brittle while ive seen others who i thought were using real vintage amps but they were using either software or a floor modeler,better that those boutique amps miked!
i personally enjoy my tube amp mostly playing small clubs where the sound comes straight from its speakers without being miked.
But as soon as we play outside or bigger venues it becomes an issue,either you are blasting one of your band members while the other can´t hear it,or the band is happy while the audience is getting killed;-)
then they tell you to turn it down and you wonder why you broke your back to carry your beauty,is almost like asking a drummer to rock out hard with electric drums turned down to 2;-)
and this is still my quest,should i still haul my amps for my own satisfaction,or should i settle for a modeler that might
not give me that "Thump" but will sound awesome out front
one thing is for sure,if you dont "feel it" chances are it might not come out as good, and this is why i think most early guitar players had such great tones,there werent so many such concerns and didnt have too many choices and they had to feel it,but what they had distinctive voice!
dont get me wrong im still waiting for that transportable magic...
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From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp
cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe
fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of
digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
than the axe
fx.
Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first example sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my aesthetic cup of tea. Where I find the modeling technology is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, the kind of amps that have wider dynamic range, more tactile response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give up, which is which? i agree the sounds have vastly improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think most boutique amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they will hold there value and last forever.
example: 20 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at the time but that
amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main amp for club work and sessions
Bill
