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bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of options? I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value" and "This is a personal short coming of mine. given a box of crayons i might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with every color they make, I might spend the day trying out every crayon and wondering where the time went. " so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value"? would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about those wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large number of orange crayons. i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor value. i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine. the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don't have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having too much choice sounds like displacement. and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble, pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe fx as well. also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O) respectfully, sim ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume, so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more "appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a way that your experience tells you is natural.