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True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall. My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 thru 15. The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) > > In this respect at least > it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. > > (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). > > andy >