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Mark very well put. Its not the age of our fathers. Though there is much good and things we can do in the digi age like meet all of you folks that I never would known but as you so elloquintlu put, its a BIG BUTT and with anything iin our world there is a balance and too much one way generally corrupts. Jim On 1/30/13, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote: > @Tyler, its us old folks who used to earn a wage from > being moderately successful musicians that are moaning about its is now > compared to how it used to be. The big difference between then and now is > that the companies selling you music (im not talking about torrents or > pirate mp3s, thats piracy, and has always been there, remember bootleg > tapes?) are paying the artists infinitesimal amounts compared to what > they > used to. It doesnt make any sense to me that now, there are no > manufacturing costs, and all marketing is vis the net, social media etc, > there IS no CDs or Vinyl albums to pay for, there are no posters flyers > or > adverts to design and print, its all online. (I will concede that the big > site probably spend millions on site development). An thats it, > As Per says, the shift HAS changed, there no going back to the old days, > downloads and streaming are here to stay, you might as well get used to > it... BUT, and its a fucking HUGE BUTT... > THERE NO REASON MUSICIANS SHOULD STAND UP FOR THIER RIGHTS!!! > > The record companies before, at least came from a standpoint of loving > music, now the music business is being strangled by the distributors > (Apple, Spotify etc) Its of course ther own fault for not jumping in > quick > and building their own online music services, and spent too much time > stamping on Napster instead... Now the CEO of Napster is a Board member > of > Spotify and hes considered a legit businessman... Go figure! > > That is all.. > > Mark > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My guess is that "the new paradigm" is not happening to digital sales >> of music but rather to cultural norms and and people's ways of >> relating to music. We can already see the change: fewer people value >> to own music like old days "collectors" did. One is not motivated to >> pay for music just because it is music. However, the much older role >> for music in the society, when music serves a specific purpose, is >> still being regarded as something worth to pay for. Like if you go out >> to dance you aren't bothered paying for an entrance ticked, or if >> going to a concert. An even more obvious example is the rapidly >> growing media that uses music for a very specific purpose - films, >> games, presentations - everyone today agrees to pay for this and music >> goes with the package. I think that we are repelling back to where it >> has been for most of mankind's history; music mostly exists for a >> specific purpose, to play a role in a specific context. The period >> where music was just one consumable product among others on a market >> is about to end. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> > Why would you call Itunes a rapist? I don't remember an artist being >> treated unfairly by it. >> > Free mp3 sites? Maybe! But Itunes? No! >> > Tyler Z >> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:32:52 -0800, Rick Walker wrote: >> > >> > >> >>On 1/29/2013 9:39 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) wrote: >> >>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/media/streaming-shakes-up-music-industrys-model-for-royalties.html?ref=us >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>*This is one of the most depressing articles I've read in a long >> >>> time.** >> >>>** >> >>>**Does anyone remember when Colonel Tom Parker was revealed to have >> >>>cut a deal with Elvis Presley ** >> >>>* >> >>*so that he would receive a usurious 50% of ALL money that Elvis >> >> made?** >> >>** >> >>**It was unprecedented and the rest of the music business, artists and >> >>the public recoiled heavily from the news (though cynics always >> >>pointed >> ** >> >>**out that 50% of $40 million dollars was still vastly better than 0% >> >> of >> >>nothing).** >> >>** >> >>**Well folks, iTunes, one of the greatest rapists of musical >> >>artistry, in the world charges 50% of ALL DOWNLOAD SALES.** >> >>** >> >>**And they are the good guys compared to Pandora and Spotify, whose >> >>statistics make iTunes look like positive artistic ** >> >>**philanthropists.** >> >> >> >>A new paradigm of selling digital content online needs to assert >> >>itself. One that is fair to artists and all the energy >> >>and time and money they spend trying to create art for people. >> >> >> >>There are rumors of this coming. I can't wait. >> >> >> >>Rick Walker >> >>Fuck iTunes! Fuck Spotify! Fuck Pandora! >> >>Fuck the dominant paradigm that says that downloading other people's >> >>music is okay as long as you get away with it. >> >>Theft if Theft, Folks! >> >>* >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Sent from my mobile device -- *jimgoodin.com* <http://jimgoodin.com> - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music*<http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com> - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran <http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com>*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Thörn. 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