De : Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
À : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Envoyé le : Jeudi 7 mars 2013 21h40
Objet : Re: interesting controller/Ableton Push
Unfortunately I can't go, but it would be great to see a MIDI
implementation chart for Push. I've learned from the Abe forum that
Push is not programable so it would be awesome just to know exactly
what CC#s are sent out from the
different knobs and ribbon. Knowing
that one could estimate how useful Push would be for generic
electronics control.
Greetings from Sweden
Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysenOn Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Amy Lee <
amy@jumpingrobot.com> wrote:
> <plug> :)
>
> I know members of this list span the globe, but for those who are in the San
> Francisco area I am trying to book a special presentation of Push for the
> April gathering of the San Francisco Electronic Music Meetup
> (
http://meetup.com/sf-emm). I'll know more in a couple of days (hopefully).
>
> If there are certain things people want a demo of, I can put that request to
>
the presenter. :)
>
> Amy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen <
perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> @mark,
>>
>> If you connect a USB cable to a laptop running Live 9.x it does indeed
>> "work like that". It actually lets you control the Live application
>> from the pad, very much like an extension of the well known Roland TR
>> step sequencing concept.
>>
>> But I'm more interested in simply playing MIDI notes from it, just
>> like any MIDI piano keyboard - but with a smarter chromatic keyboard
>> layout. In order to do that you only need to open a virtual instrument
>> in whatever laptop application picking up at the other end of the USB
>> cable. Practically no tweaking at all.
>>
>> If
you want to use it to control a custom looping rig you may very
>> well there will of course be a lot of mapping and tweaking. Maybe you
>> were actually talking only about this third alternative?
>>
>> But for using it as an instrument that plays
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, mark francombe <
mark@markfrancombe.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Jesus Christ.. Does it work like that out of the box? I think not... !
>> > Can you imagine the hellish days and days of fiddly little assigning and
>> > mapping and tweaking... Looks so much like a job...
not fun at all!
>> >
>> > I bet they sell a lot based on the lights tho... vewwy vewwy pweeedy!
>> > I might get one just to go on the wall!
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Philip Conway
>> > <
Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I pre-ordered Push yesterday. It's a sizable lump of money for a
>> >> controller - especially one that I haven't been able to try out first
>> >> hand -
>> >> but I couldn't resist the introductory offer. It'll be here in just
>> >> 12-14
>> >> weeks!...
>> >>
>> >> I'm quite excited about its potential as an
instrument. One appealing
>> >> thing is that, if the early reviews are to be believed, it is very well
>> >> made
>> >> and feels heavy and solid. This is no small thing for a musical
>> >> instrument.
>> >> It's much easier to 'lose yourself' and get into 'the zone', as they
>> >> say, if
>> >> you're playing something that just feels solid and high quality, rather
>> >> than
>> >> flimsy and plasticy. And, for me, whether or not you can 'lose
>> >> yourself' in
>> >> an instrument is ultimately the marker of whether it's any good or not.
>> >>
>> >> In many ways Push makes much more sense than a traditional keyboard for
>> >> performing and composing electronic music since it allows any scalar
>> >>
mapping
>> >> of notes and makes that mapping intuitive by providing visual feedback.
>> >> In
>> >> this way it seems to let the player find relationships between notes
>> >> and
>> >> sounds that don't rigidly adhere to the c-major scale structure of the
>> >> piano-style keyboard.
>> >>
>> >> This is how it should be for electronic music, which is not being
>> >> limited
>> >> to the physical mechanisms of objects like the piano. The piano
>> >> keyboard
>> >> was an elegant invention but it resulted to some degree from the
>> >> physical
>> >> requirements of whacking strings with little hammers. Electronic music
>> >> is
>> >> completely free from such physical connections but, with some
expensive
>> >> exceptions (e.g. the Haken Continuum), instrument or interface design
>> >> has
>> >> lagged a long way behind what programmers and sound designers have
>> >> achieved.
>> >>
>> >> Push looks like a step in the right direction in that respect. It's
>> >> not
>> >> revolutionary in concept but it appears to have been very well done -
>> >> at
>> >> least I hope so!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Philip.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --On 07 March 2013 12:15 +0100 Per Boysen <
perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM, michael noble <
looplog@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
http://www.weareroli.com/>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyone know anything more about this company or the controller?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Looks cool, like a "piano submarine" :-) A little thin on information
>> >>> that page, isn't it? From the video it seems as notes are located in
>> >>> linear way, similar to a piano?
>> >>>
>> >>> I must say I'm more intrigued by Ableton's new instrument Push, due to
>> >>> its non linear location of notes. The chromatic scale layout on Push
>> >>> is based on
rows differing by a fourths and this creates what to me
>> >>> seems to very playable note locations. In fact, the hand patterns are
>> >>> the same as if tapping a fourths tuned fretted string instrument.
>> >>> Another aspect I like with the Push is that some notes appear at
>> >>> several positions and can be played in unison but with different
>> >>> attack/_expression_, this too in common with fretted string instruments.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've been using an Akai EWI4000s for some years and think it is the
>> >>> most (musically) expressive MIDI controller instruments I've come
>> >>> across. Since it is based on breath control rather than
>> >>> hitting-something-with-a-hand velocity it a challenge to program good
>> >>> synth patches to play. I think Yamaha
was great in the 80s with breath
>> >>> control but since then not much product development seems to have
>> >>> happend im this area. THat's odd, thinking about how a simple hose to
>> >>> blow into increases the expressiveness of any simple keyboard.
>> >>>
>> >>> Greetings from Sweden
>> >>>
>> >>> Per Boysen
>> >>> www.perboysen.com
>> >>>
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark Francombe
>> > www.markfrancombe.com
>> > www.ordoabkhao.com
>> >
http://vimeo.com/user825094>> >
http://www.looop.no>> > twitter @markfrancombe
>> >
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/>>
>
