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Unfortunately I can't go, but it would be great to see a MIDI implementation chart for Push. I've learned from the Abe forum that Push is not programable so it would be awesome just to know exactly what CC#s are sent out from the different knobs and ribbon. Knowing that one could estimate how useful Push would be for generic electronics control. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Amy Lee <amy@jumpingrobot.com> wrote: > <plug> :) > > I know members of this list span the globe, but for those who are in the > San > Francisco area I am trying to book a special presentation of Push for the > April gathering of the San Francisco Electronic Music Meetup > (http://meetup.com/sf-emm). I'll know more in a couple of days > (hopefully). > > If there are certain things people want a demo of, I can put that > request to > the presenter. :) > > Amy > > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> @mark, >> >> If you connect a USB cable to a laptop running Live 9.x it does indeed >> "work like that". It actually lets you control the Live application >> from the pad, very much like an extension of the well known Roland TR >> step sequencing concept. >> >> But I'm more interested in simply playing MIDI notes from it, just >> like any MIDI piano keyboard - but with a smarter chromatic keyboard >> layout. In order to do that you only need to open a virtual instrument >> in whatever laptop application picking up at the other end of the USB >> cable. Practically no tweaking at all. >> >> If you want to use it to control a custom looping rig you may very >> well there will of course be a lot of mapping and tweaking. Maybe you >> were actually talking only about this third alternative? >> >> But for using it as an instrument that plays >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> >> wrote: >> > Jesus Christ.. Does it work like that out of the box? I think not... ! >> > Can you imagine the hellish days and days of fiddly little assigning >> > and >> > mapping and tweaking... Looks so much like a job... not fun at all! >> > >> > I bet they sell a lot based on the lights tho... vewwy vewwy pweeedy! >> > I might get one just to go on the wall! >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Philip Conway >> > <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I pre-ordered Push yesterday. It's a sizable lump of money for a >> >> controller - especially one that I haven't been able to try out first >> >> hand - >> >> but I couldn't resist the introductory offer. It'll be here in just >> >> 12-14 >> >> weeks!... >> >> >> >> I'm quite excited about its potential as an instrument. One >> >> appealing >> >> thing is that, if the early reviews are to be believed, it is very >> >> well >> >> made >> >> and feels heavy and solid. This is no small thing for a musical >> >> instrument. >> >> It's much easier to 'lose yourself' and get into 'the zone', as they >> >> say, if >> >> you're playing something that just feels solid and high quality, >> >> rather >> >> than >> >> flimsy and plasticy. And, for me, whether or not you can 'lose >> >> yourself' in >> >> an instrument is ultimately the marker of whether it's any good or >> >> not. >> >> >> >> In many ways Push makes much more sense than a traditional keyboard >> >> for >> >> performing and composing electronic music since it allows any scalar >> >> mapping >> >> of notes and makes that mapping intuitive by providing visual >> >> feedback. >> >> In >> >> this way it seems to let the player find relationships between notes >> >> and >> >> sounds that don't rigidly adhere to the c-major scale structure of >> >> the >> >> piano-style keyboard. >> >> >> >> This is how it should be for electronic music, which is not being >> >> limited >> >> to the physical mechanisms of objects like the piano. The piano >> >> keyboard >> >> was an elegant invention but it resulted to some degree from the >> >> physical >> >> requirements of whacking strings with little hammers. Electronic >> >> music >> >> is >> >> completely free from such physical connections but, with some >> >> expensive >> >> exceptions (e.g. the Haken Continuum), instrument or interface design >> >> has >> >> lagged a long way behind what programmers and sound designers have >> >> achieved. >> >> >> >> Push looks like a step in the right direction in that respect. It's >> >> not >> >> revolutionary in concept but it appears to have been very well done - >> >> at >> >> least I hope so! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Philip. >> >> >> >> >> >> --On 07 March 2013 12:15 +0100 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM, michael noble <looplog@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.weareroli.com/ >> >>>> >> >>>> Anyone know anything more about this company or the controller? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Looks cool, like a "piano submarine" :-) A little thin on >> >>> information >> >>> that page, isn't it? From the video it seems as notes are located in >> >>> linear way, similar to a piano? >> >>> >> >>> I must say I'm more intrigued by Ableton's new instrument Push, due >> >>> to >> >>> its non linear location of notes. The chromatic scale layout on Push >> >>> is based on rows differing by a fourths and this creates what to me >> >>> seems to very playable note locations. In fact, the hand patterns >> >>> are >> >>> the same as if tapping a fourths tuned fretted string instrument. >> >>> Another aspect I like with the Push is that some notes appear at >> >>> several positions and can be played in unison but with different >> >>> attack/expression, this too in common with fretted string >> >>> instruments. >> >>> >> >>> I've been using an Akai EWI4000s for some years and think it is the >> >>> most (musically) expressive MIDI controller instruments I've come >> >>> across. Since it is based on breath control rather than >> >>> hitting-something-with-a-hand velocity it a challenge to program >> >>> good >> >>> synth patches to play. I think Yamaha was great in the 80s with >> >>> breath >> >>> control but since then not much product development seems to have >> >>> happend im this area. THat's odd, thinking about how a simple hose >> >>> to >> >>> blow into increases the expressiveness of any simple keyboard. >> >>> >> >>> Greetings from Sweden >> >>> >> >>> Per Boysen >> >>> www.perboysen.com >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Francombe >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >