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Another approach to speeding ramp time on a live loop performance— --utilize a Shuffle script to reorder the bars of your initial loop in order to create a B section or a C section. If you are clever about relative major/minor relationships, you can get at most diatonic chord professions this way. There is a useful Mobius script in the Circular Labs forum that will cut the loop into a specified number of bars (Slices) and then reorder the slices according to a sequence of bar numbers. If you decide to go the Mobius route, reach out to me offline and I will share several relevant scripts with you. Daniel On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks folks for all of your input ... and output. :-) > > Amy, I'm with you on this idea that the building is also interesting > and entertaining for the audience, and so long as it is intentional > and musical, it's cool. > > I'm a bit averse to using previously recorded material, in large part > because I'm a bit forgetful and adhd and, well, i might not like it > again the 10th time around and I might want to change the tempo or > repetitions. :-) The only time I've used a prerecorded loop was at a > wedding one time when they wanted a particular song played during the > processional, and I had to play melody, and didn't want to loop the > backing there on the spot. It worked. > That having been said, I like this idea of having only certain > elements, snippets of things which may then be prerecorded and looped, > or brought in and out. So the performance becomes the spontaneous > arrangement. > > I'll definitely have to look in to a looper with the multiply > functions. I need a new looper anyway. I think I've outgrown my RC20. > 8) > > At this point, about the only options I have with that are > overdubbing, or starting a song cold, singing and playing, and then > recording and looping a section of guitar as I'm playing. So that > another guitar just magically appears in the mix. That's pretty fun. > > I'm enjoying this thread! > > Thanks! > Rusty > > > On 12/6/13, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> On 06/12/2013 00:03, Amy X Neuburg wrote: >> >>> The most basic answer is: without any sort of "cheating" there is no >>> way >>> to minimize the ramp-up, >> >> while I disagree with the above....... >> >>> So my best advice is to think carefully about each individual layer to >>> make sure it is in itself musical. >> >> .....that's spot on. >> ( worth applying to non-looped music too! ) >> >> Plus learn to go directly into overdub without waiting for the layers >> to "go >> round", >> that makes a big difference. >> >> >> >> Apart from that there's any number of techniques, but the main one for >> a more regular type structure is this:- >> >> >> Depending on the capability of your looper, the early layers can be >> much >> shorter in length >> than the "final loop" >> for example:- >> i) record a one bar rhythm (percussion) >> ii) record a 2 bar bass line, simple enough to underpin a >> more >> complex harmony >> iii) then you can add a chordal part 16bars, 32 bars >> ...whatever >> >> If the looping device is so designed it lets you do all that on >> just one loop, using something called "Multiply" or "Re-Sample". >> Otherwise it's necessary add loops to get that. >> >> >> Also just take time to check out some of the guys on this list and >> note how >> *they* do it. >> Usually this means some kind of interaction with technology...the >> loop >> device gets to be an instrument. >> >> >>> You can also cheat, >> >> It's just my own aesthetic here, but if you're going to pre-record >> significant bits >> why not just pre record all of it? >> >>> In putting out my songs on CD I occasionally shorten the lead-in time >> >> To edit a loop performance for repeated listening is not uncommon. >> >>> My way too many cents. >> >> not at all...appreciated >> >> Andy >> >> >