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Hi Daniel, I don't use mobius at this point, though I am curious, but your suggestion reminds me of something. I've played a little with the idea of creating a short musical loop which works well under my entire chord progression. So, for example, if you arpegiate an a chord adding a D in the arpegio, you can play a progression of A f#m D and E over the arpegio and it all sounds good. So the idea is to figure out what set of notes will sound good under a longer progression. It's similar to the idea of a drone which can also work nicely if you use a 1/5 drone and then play chords around this interval sometimes turning the 1/5 in to a 1/4 relationship. I am not at all a music theoritician, but these practical issues interest me. :-) Rusty On 12/6/13, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote: > Another approach to speeding ramp time on a live loop performance— > > --utilize a Shuffle script to reorder the bars of your initial loop in > order > to create a B section or a C section. If you are clever about relative > major/minor relationships, you can get at most diatonic chord professions > this way. > > There is a useful Mobius script in the Circular Labs forum that will cut > the > loop into a specified number of bars (Slices) and then reorder the slices > according to a sequence of bar numbers. If you decide to go the Mobius > route, reach out to me offline and I will share several relevant scripts > with you. > > Daniel > > > On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Rusty Perez <rustys.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks folks for all of your input ... and output. :-) >> >> Amy, I'm with you on this idea that the building is also interesting >> and entertaining for the audience, and so long as it is intentional >> and musical, it's cool. >> >> I'm a bit averse to using previously recorded material, in large part >> because I'm a bit forgetful and adhd and, well, i might not like it >> again the 10th time around and I might want to change the tempo or >> repetitions. :-) The only time I've used a prerecorded loop was at a >> wedding one time when they wanted a particular song played during the >> processional, and I had to play melody, and didn't want to loop the >> backing there on the spot. It worked. >> That having been said, I like this idea of having only certain >> elements, snippets of things which may then be prerecorded and looped, >> or brought in and out. So the performance becomes the spontaneous >> arrangement. >> >> I'll definitely have to look in to a looper with the multiply >> functions. I need a new looper anyway. I think I've outgrown my RC20. >> 8) >> >> At this point, about the only options I have with that are >> overdubbing, or starting a song cold, singing and playing, and then >> recording and looping a section of guitar as I'm playing. So that >> another guitar just magically appears in the mix. That's pretty fun. >> >> I'm enjoying this thread! >> >> Thanks! >> Rusty >> >> >> On 12/6/13, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 06/12/2013 00:03, Amy X Neuburg wrote: >>> >>>> The most basic answer is: without any sort of "cheating" there is no >>>> way >>>> to minimize the ramp-up, >>> >>> while I disagree with the above....... >>> >>>> So my best advice is to think carefully about each individual layer to >>>> make sure it is in itself musical. >>> >>> .....that's spot on. >>> ( worth applying to non-looped music too! ) >>> >>> Plus learn to go directly into overdub without waiting for the layers >>> to >>> "go >>> round", >>> that makes a big difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> Apart from that there's any number of techniques, but the main one for >>> a more regular type structure is this:- >>> >>> >>> Depending on the capability of your looper, the early layers can be >>> much >>> shorter in length >>> than the "final loop" >>> for example:- >>> i) record a one bar rhythm (percussion) >>> ii) record a 2 bar bass line, simple enough to underpin a >>> more >>> complex harmony >>> iii) then you can add a chordal part 16bars, 32 bars >>> ...whatever >>> >>> If the looping device is so designed it lets you do all that on >>> just one loop, using something called "Multiply" or "Re-Sample". >>> Otherwise it's necessary add loops to get that. >>> >>> >>> Also just take time to check out some of the guys on this list and >>> note >>> how >>> *they* do it. >>> Usually this means some kind of interaction with technology...the >>> loop >>> device gets to be an instrument. >>> >>> >>>> You can also cheat, >>> >>> It's just my own aesthetic here, but if you're going to pre-record >>> significant bits >>> why not just pre record all of it? >>> >>>> In putting out my songs on CD I occasionally shorten the lead-in time >>> >>> To edit a loop performance for repeated listening is not uncommon. >>> >>>> My way too many cents. >>> >>> not at all...appreciated >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> >> > >