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Nice thread about the 45000. I am a longtime LP1 user, but have been wanting to move away from it for a while, in fact havent looped for more than a year because I just got tired of issues with it. I was thinking of either going to the 45000 or laptop , but I sure like the 8 loops on the LP1, I use a midi work surface which gives me a lot of control. Any suggestions? I have a couple of Steinberg D/A's I could use in implementing laptop looping. Andy O not B On Dec 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, marc@clubcapelli.com wrote: > Happy to see you write about the 45000; > > > @ Rusty : > >> It seems then that on the ehx 2880/45000 a loop consists of 4 >> independant tracks and a stereo master track. >> These independant tracks are all the same length and cannot be played >> independantly, they must be synced. >> To move from loop to loop, these loops must be saved on the card. >> And, if I wanted to use more than one loop in a song, for a >> verse/chorus for example, then I would have to recall the second loop >> from the card, or begin building it. >> I imagine that one can program a midi pedal to save a loop, then >> switch between loops, forward and backward. >> It sounds very powerful. > > yes, 100% yes ! > > >> I suppose I could use a drum machine, but that complicates things more. >> :-) > > yes, it's my choice, for exemple a Boss DR-880, or a MPC > > > @ Charles : > >> The question of individual track replacement is an interesting one. >> In the Reggie Watts demonstration on youtube he appears to swap the >> bass line for a new one and then goes back to the original bass line >> without interrupting the groove. >> How is this achieved on the 45000? > > in fact, he use 2 different loops : he first build one (verse for > exemple) with all the tracks, and then on 4:05 he start to build the > second one (for exemple chorus), on the fly > I rather prepare my loops, with nothing on it (I left blank) just to > have the right duration, using the QUANTIZE function, wich is great used > with a midi sync drum machine or workstation : you have EXACTLY the > right duration for your loop, depending of the bar duration on other > midi machines. That way, all is perfectly sync, and fit exactly. > > > @ Rusty : > >> It sounded to me like he began a new loop, with a new bass line and a >> new rhythm pattern, sang over that for a bit, then went back to the >> original one. > > yes, exactly ! > > >> Sure would be cool if it is possible to play tracks from two loops at >> the same time. :-) > > no, this is not possible, only 1 loop (4 + 2 tracks) at a time > > > @ Neal : > >> BTW, EHX should allow a playing loop to be saved to any loop slot, not >> just the playing loop's slot. > > it is not possible on the 45000, but if you insert the SDCard in a > computer, you can do it, just rename the track number, after copying it > > > @ Charles : > >> In the case of Reggie Watts demonstration, he has the "beat" on one >> track, the "percussion (hi-hats)" on another, the bass on another, and >> the harmonies on a fourth. > > yes, this is the multi-track concept of the 2880/45000, very powerfull : > one instrument on one track, and PAN and Volume for each track > Reggie Watts use 4 track, but if he press "TRACK SELECT" one more time, > he can use the MIXDOWN track as an other track, in stereo, so he have 5 > different tracks : 4 with a PAN and 1 in stereo > >> After reading the 45000 manual, the ONLY differences I can see between >> the 2880 and the 45000 are these: > > in fact, here are the differences I notice, using the 2880 and the 45000 > (I own the 2) : > > > - due to multi-loop, we can now simply do > intro/verse/chorus/bridge/outro... > "If the 45000 is playing back a loop and you change loop numbers, the > Foot Controller will blink the new loop number indicating that you are > currently playing back a different loop. The 45000 will change to the > new loop number once the current loop has played out to its end point." > 100 loops on each SD card, as many cards as we want, hot plug... > > - loop change with a midi pedalboard : I program my pedalboard to have > for each song => intro switch 1/verse switch 2/chorus switch 3/bridge > switch 4/outro switch 5 and I choose the best time in song to switch > from one to another, VERY simple (it's better to be simple on stage...). > This is a power feature : you can run the bridge as long as you want on > live... > > - 34 pro rythm are included on the 45000, these ARE FREE : YOU CAN > DOWNLOAD THEM HERE even if you are not a 45000 owner (Thx EHX) for > another looper for exemple : > http://www.ehx.com/assets/ehx-45000-drum-loops-v1.zip > > - SD cards (the 2880 was CF cards) from 4 to 32Go, mine was with a 4 Go, > but I have now other cards, for other projects (and 1 in spare for > Live!...) > > - import / export audio files from computer is more easy than with the > 2880, perfect for backtrack (.WAV in 44.1kHz and 16-bit) > > - new sync MIDI mode : "EXT.CLOCK" button have now 3 states in place of > 2 : "Full Ext. Clock Mode", "Beat Sync Ext. Clock Mode"... > > - monitor out : same as headphone out, but mono (good for pedal output > for exemple) > > - different pedalboard : we win loop up and down, but lost REVERSE, > OCTAVE and NEW LOOP switchs :( > > - SD card reader is hot plug : you can switch SD card during live > without powering off the 45000, just stop the loop and change the card, > fast and easy, great for the live!... > > Best Regards, > > Marc > > > >