Re: loop structure idea

[jim palmer <jimp@pobox.com>]

come on.
you know you want one (kyma).
it'll make you cool.
it'll make you popular.
all the cool kids are doing it.

one of us.
one of us.
one of us.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rich" <rich@nuvisionsca.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: loop structure idea


> thanks for your responses, everyone.
> 
> i think Dennis gets the award for manifesting what i had in my head.
> 
> unfortunately, i don't think a kyma system is in my future!
> 
> *** NO MORE GEAR PURCHASES THIS YEAR...right, Cliff?  :)
> 
> seeya,
> 
> 
> rich
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Interesting that you should mention this.
> >
> >I have Kyma loop structure that I call a "Fragmenter" that does pretty 
>much
> >what you describe.  It works a little bit differently due to the 
>internals
> >of Kyma.  For example, the subdivided loop implicitly multiplies to 
>length
> >of the master loop due to the way slave loops are synced to master 
>loops.
> >Also, you can adjust the Fragmenter structure however you like.  The 
>most
> >fun seems to be with a random select of the particular fragement to 
>play.
> >So after n repeats, a different fragment is looped.
> >
> >With one Fragmenter, it's fun to experiment with rhythms.  Say that my
> >original pattern of <Do Re Me Fa> consists of four variations of a 
>groove,
> >then the Fragmenter with randomizing selections plays a constantly 
>shifting
> >pattern.  For real fun, I tried two Fragmenters, one is a "master"
> >Fragmenter and the other is slaved to it.  The master is in the left 
>and the
> >slave Fragmenter is in the right channel.  I played a different drum 
>into
> >the master and slave, each with a pattern of variations.  Then sit back 
>and
> >listen!  It sounds like two drummers playing variations back and forth.
> >Less is definitely more.  Simpler patterns produce a more cohesive 
>sound.
> >
> >With one Fragmenter, I tried looping spoken word.  A good phrase is
> >something like, "This is a test,  Is it not? ----".  I spoke the words
> >equally spaced with a rest at the end.  On playback, you hear new 
>sentences,
> >some of which is nonsense of course.  But you do hear things like, "Is 
>it a
> >test.  This is not? ---- A test. ---  This is not? a test.  Test. Test.
> >This is a test. --- A test this is not?" etc.
> >
> >I saw the Fragmenter as a step to something I call a Fugue-ifier,  
>which you
> >can imagine what it would do.
> >
> >>  Could this subdivision be done behind the scenes?
> >
> >The computation of the loop points is determined by the length of the
> >original loop.  It takes one sample clock period to compute.  I use a 
>44.1
> >Khz sample rate so the subdivision takes about (1 / 44100) or about
> >0.0000227 seconds to setup.
> >
> >>How long would it take before you could access it?
> >
> >Nearly instantantly.
> >
> >>  Could you subdivide and multiply all 4 subdivision elements?
> >
> >Do you mean fragment the fragments?  Interesting idea.
> >
> >>  Then, could you switch between those subdivided loops in real time
> >>  while the original loop is playing?
> >
> >No problem.  The loops switching occurs at the end of each loop.  With 
>some
> >effort it could occur immediately but I don't think that would sounds as
> >good.
> >
> >Dennis Leas
> >-------------------
> >dennis@mdbs.com
> 
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