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Re: P2 Quandaries! (was: Fripp Nerves)
>> Are there any of you out there who actually prefer looser "open"
>> minimal imposed structure?
>Well, I don't know that it's a matter of preference past how one feels at
>given moment or series of moments, actually.
Given... Depending on mood I swing between wanting to play structured
open form pieces. Lately my mood has been very zen and open... wanting the
dialog to develop in real time. My responses may be contrived or certainly
informed by my technique and preference as well, but at least the idea has
sprung from impulse rather than pre-meditation. An ongoing quandry for me
to incorporate more structure without "canning" the experience.
>I think most of the ways in which we address allegedly non-structured
>may have a lot more to do with our expectations of that content, than the
I'm certain that on any given night there will be expectations. As to how
music fares in relation to them is anyone's guess.
It's sad when you've been waiting to record with someone for a year and
anticipation creates too much expectation. It's great when you just walk
surprise each other though. (especially when it's verified upon playback!)
>* Those who expected something from the music that didn't happen (flaming
>Frippian solos, KC material from the 70's, ad nauseam) were very, very
It was actually quite funny to hear prog dinosaurs griping about how
show was and how dissappointed they were with Fripp! I guess I should have
>* Those who went Without Expectations, and withheld judgement until they'd
>heard entire works, were far, far less disappointed,...
>but in general tended to discuss the material a lot less than the angry
Not sure about this but I definitely heard a lot of griping! My friends
also quite enjoyed the show) and I talked a lot about it...
>And, I didn't feel ripped off in any way. I laughed at the execution of
>THRAK in that manner, in a good way...
It was GREAT to see Fripp and co. really laughing and enjoying the show. I
particularly enjoyed seeing Robert jump up and encourage audience response
Belew's drum solo with much arm waving and gesturing... Quite funny and
>So, does improvisational work - either participating or listening to it -
>say more about us, or about our feelings about it?
Not sure... This reminds me of a previous poster recalling someone asking
Fripp piece was played by a keyboardist, would you still listen to it?
very interesting question...
My knowledge that someone is "walking the wire" and improvising certainly
affects my response to the music. It's more performance related than media
On fixed media you lose the context of the improv and it's often
relate all the elements which supported the improv and it's direction.
performance is more about the wiles of the performer and their responses
references etc. It's like surfing or skiing for me... a real time reaction
multiple stimuli... call and response... wit... rejoinder... parry...
gravity... vision... The phrase "You had to be there." could certainly
That said, it's "still just sound" as Andre LaFosse says and ultimately
sit alongside work that may be far more mature and complete
in terms of production values. If an improv still elicits a strong
that environment I give it double extra credit! 8->